InSight EDL, 26 Nov 2018 |
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 Nov 22 2018, 07:55 PM
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Good morning from Los Angeles! Today at approximately 1954 GMT InSight will touch down in Elysium Planitia, and this is where we'll discuss all the events associated with that. NASA TV (link) will provide live coverage starting at 1900 GMT. Official status updates will be published here (link)
Here's a list of significant events (source: JPL). Times listed first are Earth-received US Pacific Standard Time (GMT-8): 11:40 a.m. PST (2:40 p.m. EST) — Separation from the cruise stage that carried the mission to Mars 11:41 a.m. PST (2:41 p.m. EST) — Turn to orient the spacecraft properly for atmospheric entry 11:47 a.m. PST (2:47 p.m. EST) — Atmospheric entry at about 12,300 mph (19,800 kph), beginning the entry, descent and landing phase 11:49 a.m. PST (2:49 p.m. EST) — Peak heating of the protective heat shield reaches about 2,700°F (about 1,500°C) -15 seconds later — Peak deceleration, with the intense heating causing possible temporary dropouts in radio signals 11:51 a.m. PST (2:51 p.m. EST) — Parachute deployment -15 seconds later — Separation from the heat shield -10 seconds later — Deployment of the lander's three legs 11:52 a.m. PST (2:52 p.m. EST) — Activation of the radar that will sense the distance to the ground 11:53 a.m. PST (2:53 p.m. EST) — First acquisition of the radar signal -20 seconds later — Separation from the back shell and parachute -0.5 second later — The retrorockets, or descent engines, begin firing -2.5 seconds later — Start of the "gravity turn" to get the lander into the proper orientation for landing -22 seconds later — InSight begins slowing to a constant velocity (from 17 mph to a constant 5 mph, or from 27 kph to 8 kph) for its soft landing 11:54 a.m. PST (2:54 p.m. EST) — Expected touchdown on the surface of Mars 12:01 p.m. PST (3:01 p.m. EST) — "Beep" from InSight's X-band radio directly back to Earth, indicating InSight is alive and functioning on the surface of Mars No earlier than 12:04 p.m. PST (3:04 p.m. EST), but possibly the next day — First image from InSight on the surface of Mars No earlier than 5:35 p.m. PST (8:35 p.m. EST) — Confirmation from InSight via NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter that InSight's solar arrays have deployed Get the peanuts ready, and let's land on Mars!  GO INSIGHT!!! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 04:38 PM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
Mars looking real big on "Eyes".
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Nov 26 2018, 05:01 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
3 out of 4 of Madrid's DSN antennas are on InSight and the MARCOs right now.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 26 2018, 12:01 PM)  3 out of 4 of Madrid's DSN antennas are on InSight and the MARCOs right now. Now's not a good time to phone home Oppy! Get in line! 
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Nov 26 2018, 05:23 PM
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I'm sure Spirit is thinking about it ;-)
Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Nov 26 2018, 05:53 PM
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Good luck, everybody!
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Nov 26 2018, 06:52 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Gotta say, there is a surprisingly large amount of media attention being paid to this landing. In Los Angeles, local news has been periodically reminding everyone & even the network talk shows have mentioned it. The NASDAQ stock exchange apparently is promoting the coverage as well, which is quite unexpected.
I was also informed that all the Los Angeles public libraries are showing the landing live, and are handing out both library and InSight swag. Great EPO!!!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:00 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
NASA TV live now!
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Nov 26 2018, 07:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2087 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
Live feed started....
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Nov 26 2018, 07:23 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 26-November 18 From: Minneapolis, MN USA Member No.: 8484 |
Hi! I'm new to this site. Thanks for letting me join.
Question: At what time will Insight land, in Mars local time? |
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Nov 26 2018, 07:26 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 24-March 04 From: Finland Member No.: 63 |
NASA TV Media channel is showing the Insight mission control, but as far as I can see, there is no audio (yet?)
-------------------- Antti Kuosmanen
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Nov 26 2018, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (Ectahoosis @ Nov 26 2018, 08:23 PM) Hi! I'm new to this site. Thanks for letting me join. Question: At what time will Insight land, in Mars local time? I think its early afternoon there at landing..but I have no exact time now. Fingers crossed ! |
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Nov 26 2018, 07:33 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
QUOTE (akuo @ Nov 26 2018, 12:26 PM) NASA TV Media channel is showing the Insight mission control, but as far as I can see, there is no audio (yet?) Got good audio from the link on the first post, akuo. Might want to reload or check your audio settings. Sometimes it does seem to go quiet for a bit as well. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:35 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Just saw a shot of our chairman and founder djellison on console for MarCO!
EDIT: Nope, wasn't him. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:38 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Cruise stage sep in 2 min.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:41 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
MarCO UHF lock.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:41 PM
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Parachute deployment is at Mach 1.66. What is Mach speed on Mars with air pressure and temperature so different than Earth's?
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Nov 26 2018, 07:44 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Depends on the things you described, but in general lower because of the vastly lower air density.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:46 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
MarCOs relaying data!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:47 PM
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Atmospheric entry....
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Nov 26 2018, 07:48 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
DEPLOY PEANUTS!!!!!!!
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Nov 26 2018, 07:51 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
CHUTE DEPLOYED!!!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:54 PM
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Radar has locked on to ground...
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Nov 26 2018, 07:54 PM
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did we land
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Nov 26 2018, 07:54 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
T O U C H D O W N !!!!!!!!
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Nov 26 2018, 07:54 PM
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TOUCHDOWN!
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Nov 26 2018, 07:55 PM
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IMG to PNG GOD Group: Moderator Posts: 2251 Joined: 19-February 04 From: Near fire and ice Member No.: 38 |
touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 26 2018, 07:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 290 Joined: 29-December 05 From: Ottawa, ON Member No.: 624 |
I'm getting too old for this kind of stress! Great news and congrats to the team.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:57 PM
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YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 26 2018, 07:58 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Standing by for X-band beep and maybe an image relayed by MarCO....
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Nov 26 2018, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (Steve G @ Nov 26 2018, 08:57 PM) I'm getting too old for this kind of stress! Great news and congrats to the team. yeah right. I always forget this happened 27 minutes ago. We are getting delayed data. |
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Nov 26 2018, 07:58 PM
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8 soft landings out of 9 attempts since 1976 --- what a record ! Congratulations to all.
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Nov 26 2018, 07:59 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
SURFACE IMAGE!!!! Dust cover is dusty!!!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:02 PM
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It looks like a few bugs splattered on the camera during descent
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Nov 26 2018, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 26 2018, 08:59 PM) SURFACE IMAGE!!!! Dust cover is dusty!!! link |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:05 PM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
Lander is nominal.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:06 PM
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-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:06 PM
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Screen capture
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Nov 26 2018, 08:07 PM
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Nov 26 2018, 08:09 PM
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will that lens cover come off?
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Nov 26 2018, 08:10 PM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
Post landing briefing at 5pm EST.
QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Nov 26 2018, 09:09 PM) will that lens cover come off? Yes. |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:12 PM
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Slightly enhanced image:
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Nov 26 2018, 08:13 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Yes, of course. Not till it's safe to do so, though (gotta let the landing dust settle) and there are other critical events of higher priority, particularly solar panel deployment.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:19 PM
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First image up already!
https://mars.nasa.gov/insight-raw-images/su...0000_0106M_.PNG The surface looks very smooth. |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:20 PM
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Okay, this is a quick ten minute job to remove the worst of the dust. More dust than Mars, unfortunately.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 26 2018, 09:13 PM) Yes, of course. Not till it's safe to do so, though (gotta let the landing dust settle) and there are other critical events of higher priority, particularly solar panel deployment. looks similar to phoenix landing zone. pretty boring for images but wealthy in science |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:23 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Forum note: Later on today or possibly tomorrow after the early critical deployments are carried out this thread will be closed and we'll open a new surface operations thread.
What a ride that was!!!!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:24 PM
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Heres the link for the first picture from Insight:
https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/multimedia/ra...mission=insight |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:24 PM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 26 2018, 09:19 PM) First image up already! https://mars.nasa.gov/insight-raw-images/su...0000_0106M_.PNG The surface looks very smooth. That was pretty quick, considering it's Sol 0. |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 26 2018, 12:19 PM) First image up already! Huh. Crud on the dust cover is a lot clumpier looking than what we got on the MAHLI dust cover on MSL. Maybe more localized material from the different thruster configuration and camera placement. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 26 2018, 12:19 PM) First image up already! https://mars.nasa.gov/insight-raw-images/su...0000_0106M_.PNG The surface looks very smooth. ..and seems to have broken the internet! pancake,pancake,pancake!! https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/multimedia/raw-images/ 
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Nov 26 2018, 08:28 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
NASA TV live coverage just ended, press brief at 1400 PST (2200 GMT).
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:30 PM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
During the pre-landing briefings I did not hear anyone say an image might be sent back right after touchdown, did anyone else ?
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Nov 26 2018, 08:30 PM
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"That was pretty quick, considering it's Sol 1"
No, actually it is Sol 0. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:31 PM
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-------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Nov 26 2018, 08:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 24-March 04 From: Finland Member No.: 63 |
(The PNG file on the raw images site is not complete, the bottom of the image is missing.) Edit: it's fixed now
Complete image at least in Emily's article here (from twitter?) http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakda...has-landed.html Congrats Insight Team! -------------------- Antti Kuosmanen
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Nov 26 2018, 08:38 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 26 2018, 01:30 PM) During the pre-landing briefings I did not hear anyone say an image might be sent back right after touchdown, did anyone else ? It was mentioned as a possibility in the timeline, but it was entirely dependent on the success of MarCO. By all accounts, they have performed brilliantly. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:45 PM
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Working on the assumption that it's never too early to start analyzing images here on UMSF:
The small arrows outline a skid mark on the surface made as that rock was pushed by the thrusters, as also seen twice at the Phoenix site. EDIT: Now I'm not certain that thing on the right is a footpad. There may be some more small rocks over there. EDIT 2: no, looks like I was right first time. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 26 2018, 12:26 PM) Huh. Crud on the dust cover is a lot clumpier looking than what we got on the MAHLI dust cover on MSL. Maybe more localized material from the different thruster configuration and camera placement. That does not surprises me given the different position of the dust cover, mostly the distance to the ground. I would say it is quite similar to the first image we received from the FHAZ from Curiosity which would have a distance and positioning more similar to IS. Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Nov 26 2018, 08:51 PM
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Just got out of a work meeting, did I miss anything?
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"Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts!" Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test |
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Nov 26 2018, 09:07 PM
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Congrats to the team.
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Nov 26 2018, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 26 2018, 12:45 PM) Working on the assumption that it's never too early to start analyzing images here on UMSF: i was assuming it was mini dune formation by thruster blast, but yep probably same scenario as Phoenix.
The small arrows outline a skid mark on the surface made as that rock was pushed by the thrusters, as also seen twice at the Phoenix site. EDIT: Now I'm not certain that thing on the right is a footpad. There may be some more small rocks over there. Phil presumably the image is from the Instrument Context Camera, does anyone know if the lander is situated as planned with the workspace oriented to the south? |
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Nov 26 2018, 09:30 PM
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The landing site looks a very good place for HP3 instrument since the land is smooth, almost lack of stones and is sandy.
About the Lens of the camera, I thought that the next mission, this must be covered by a protective and after a landing, it should be opened before taking a picture. This is to prevent the lens of the camera from getting dirty |
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Nov 26 2018, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (SpaceListener @ Nov 26 2018, 09:30 PM) About the Lens of the camera, I thought that the next mission, this must be covered by a protective and after a landing ... But it is! The cover is transparent and will come out later. Just as has happened with Curiosity. Now waiting for the post landing conference at 22:00 UTC. Congratulations to the whole team! What a great job they've done! Fernando |
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Nov 26 2018, 09:45 PM
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I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the initially tweeted image (not the better version that came out later) to capture the feeling of the scene.
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Nov 26 2018, 09:49 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Superb!
Reminder: Press conference on NASA TV in 12 minutes. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 09:58 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 24-August 07 Member No.: 3405 |
Congrats, team.
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Nov 26 2018, 10:03 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Press conference live now, featuring JPL (and UMSF's!) own Veronica McGregor!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 10:22 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
MarCO image of Mars from 4000 miles! Also a brief glimpse of djellison!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (atomoid @ Nov 26 2018, 10:28 PM) does anyone know if the lander is situated as planned with the workspace oriented to the south? Shadow seems to suggest that: toward lander and image-left, from mid-afternoon southern Sun. |
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Nov 26 2018, 10:32 PM
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Awesome...look forward to the protective len views.
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Nov 26 2018, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 26 2018, 02:03 PM) Press conference live now, featuring JPL (and UMSF's!) own Veronica McGregor! Veronica and Emily both look like they've gotten younger in the 5 or 6 years since I last saw either of them. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Nov 26 2018, 10:36 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Agreed. (We need to add a thumbs-up feature here...
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-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 10:54 PM
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MarCO Mars flyby image. Definitely the selfie of the year.
(Credit: NASA)
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 11:00 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Forum note: Okay, not sure when the next update from NASA will be, but we'll keep the discussion here for now. Solar panel deployment confirmation expected no earlier than 1735 PST (0135 GMT), so hopefully we will receive word of that and possibly other data as well.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 26 2018, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 26 2018, 11:33 PM) Veronica and Emily both look like they've gotten younger in the 5 or 6 years since I last saw either of them. Probably the same for you Dan, you’ve been kind of hibernating...?
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Nov 26 2018, 11:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
QUOTE (climber @ Nov 26 2018, 03:30 PM) Probably the same for you Dan, you’ve been kind of hibernating...? No. I'm more bald and I grew a white beard. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Nov 26 2018, 11:40 PM
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If landing site are match that image could be fine.
This is small version, I have also BIG 12000 x 8000 px
check MRO/HIRISE DTM for that area: https://www.uahirise.org/dtm/dtm.php?ID=ESP_038449_1845 -------------------- Adam Hurcewicz from Poland
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Nov 27 2018, 12:00 AM
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Possible meteorite? Pure speculation at this point. Congrats to the engineers!
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Nov 27 2018, 12:09 AM
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A reminder how the Hazcam of Curiosity looks before the dusty dust cover comes off in 2012:
https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/pr...AUT_04096M_.JPG and after it comes off: https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/pr...AUT_04096M_.JPG It seems that on Curiosity the dust slips also beyond the cover a little..but its just a guess what we might see in a few hours from the cover free Insight camera (in color!) |
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Nov 27 2018, 12:24 AM
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120 degrees de-fisheyed version, and an attempt to improve contrast of the environment behind the dust cover:
Out-of-the-hip, I didn't find a good technique to remove the patches on the dust cover, so I enhanced the contrast in the background, instead. There is also a saturation and brightnes gradient, which I didn't try to remove. The lander seems to be slightly tilted. Might be, that one of the feet is standing on top of a small rock like the one in the foreground. |
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Nov 27 2018, 12:55 AM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 27 2018, 01:24 AM) ...The lander seems to be slightly tilted. Might be, that one of the feet is standing on top of a small rock like the one in the foreground... They said on the post landing conference the tilt was less than 2 degrees. |
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Nov 27 2018, 01:23 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2922 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Can we compare Marco’s image definition to Mariner 4’s? Distance to Mars, FOV, etc...?
It seams to me that we can see some features... -------------------- |
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Nov 27 2018, 01:31 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
The expected time for an orbiter downlink (looks like MODY) is approaching. Suggest following Emily's updated article here; if anyone gets a scoop, it'll be her.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 27 2018, 01:38 AM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 27 2018, 02:31 AM) The expected time for an orbiter downlink (looks like MODY) is approaching. Suggest following Emily's updated article here; if anyone gets a scoop, it'll be her. I am watching DSN Now like a hawk, lol. |
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Nov 27 2018, 01:40 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Yeah, but remember the same caution as the Oppy recovery efforts...it's not an authoritative indicator of anything, really.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 27 2018, 02:03 AM
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I understand the caution about DSN Now in terms of the variable "positive predictive value" of it appearing to be communicating with a certain spacecraft. What is the "negative predictive value" of it showing a prolonged (i.e. in this case >25 min) NO communication through any antenna with a given spacecraft at a time that comm. was expected?
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Nov 27 2018, 02:06 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
No idea. All I know is that the real word on anything's gotta come from NASA/JPL.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 27 2018, 02:15 AM
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QUOTE (dmg @ Nov 27 2018, 03:03 AM) I understand the caution about DSN Now in terms of the variable "positive predictive value" of it appearing to be communicating with a certain spacecraft. What is the "negative predictive value" of it showing a prolonged (i.e. in this case >25 min) NO communication through any antenna with a given spacecraft at a time that comm. was expected? I dont think the DSN Now site showed any downlink from the Parker Solar Probe in the hour or so after it was launched |
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Nov 27 2018, 02:18 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 12-June 07 Member No.: 2392 |
Yes but in this case the expected comm pass was with mars odyssey which would transmit from what it got from insight. Anyway nothing to do but wait and see
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Nov 27 2018, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE (dmg @ Nov 27 2018, 03:18 AM) Yes but in this case the expected comm pass was with mars odyssey which would transmit from what it got from insight. Anyway nothing to do but wait and see Yes, but I remember it showing up on the antenna as SPP (Solar Probe Plus) but no downlink animation, even though they obviously had received data, because they confirmed critical spacecraft deployment sequences. |
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Nov 27 2018, 02:23 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
<shrug>...same thing in this case. MODY is shown on DSS 25 & 26, MAVEN & MRO also on 26. We can't tell.
Patience, grasshoppers, patience.
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 27 2018, 02:29 AM
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https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/11/26/insig...-status-center/
Spaceflightnow does live updates. QUOTE 11/26/2018 18:14
Stephen Clark Stephen Clark We're standing by for an update on the deployment of InSight's solar panels as JPL engineers analyze data relayed from the lander to Earth via the Mars Odyssey orbiter. |
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Nov 27 2018, 02:46 AM
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New image.
Attached thumbnail(s)
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Nov 27 2018, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE (dmg @ Nov 26 2018, 06:03 PM) I understand the caution about DSN Now in terms of the variable "positive predictive value" of it appearing to be communicating with a certain spacecraft. What is the "negative predictive value" of it showing a prolonged (i.e. in this case >25 min) NO communication through any antenna with a given spacecraft at a time that comm. was expected? False negatives are also a thing. Very often. All down to the antennas and how they report their status back to the subscription services from which DSN Now generates it's status XML file that drives the web-page. Because that Odyssey pass happened and the data is VERY much on the ground... https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/insight/multimedi...0&end_sol=0 |
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Nov 27 2018, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 26 2018, 09:46 PM) New image. QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 26 2018, 09:47 PM) Because that Odyssey pass happened and the data is VERY much on the ground... https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/insight/multimedi...0&end_sol=0 That's surprisingly rocky. That's a big effing boulder in the distance. The only concern here is that the mole will hit a big horizontal rock on the way down ... Based on this (early) animation of the instrument deck and deployment, this view is looking down the arm towards the SOUTH, towards the direction that the instruments will be deployed. |
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Nov 27 2018, 02:54 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10173 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
The raw image page:
https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/multimedia/ra...mission=insight shows two versions of the first image taken a few minutes apart. The dust has moved around a bit on it, which will help clean up the image while we wait for that cover to drop off. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Nov 27 2018, 02:55 AM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
Not exactly a flat parking lot, I see some good sized rocks.
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Nov 27 2018, 02:58 AM
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A simple max filter does a good job of showing where the dust isn't between the two frames:
(Areas covered by dust are dark, so taking the max of the two frames pixel-by-pixel removes it where it's only on one of the two frames.) |
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Nov 27 2018, 03:01 AM
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Well, the text accompanying that image says "looking forward to exploring my new home"
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