Phoenix - End of Mission |
Phoenix - End of Mission |
Nov 10 2008, 08:05 PM
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Martian Photographer Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 3-March 05 Member No.: 183 |
NASA Teleconference Today about Status of Phoenix Mars Lander
WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a media teleconference at 4 p.m. EST today, Monday, Nov. 10, to discuss the status of the Phoenix Mars Lander. Phoenix has been operating on the Red Planet for more than five months. Participants will be: -- Barry Goldstein, Phoenix project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. -- Peter Smith, Phoenix principal investigator at the University of Arizona in Tucson -- Doug McCuistion, director of the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington Audio of the teleconference will be streamed live at http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio. |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:05 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Conference has started...
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Nov 10 2008, 09:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 270 Joined: 29-December 04 From: NLA0: Member No.: 133 |
Goodbye friend :'(
-------------------- PDP, VAX and Alpha fanatic ; HP-Compaq is the Satan! ; Let us pray daily while facing Maynard! ; Life starts at 150 km/h ;
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Nov 10 2008, 09:08 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
"End of mission" declared... no-one has any expectations of Phoenix being heard from again...
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Nov 10 2008, 09:09 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Barry :
Sol 151 - had a bit of a problem. Executing the last high power science day. Dust storm on that day (out of the blue). Were expecting Tau of .3. Planned for .5 - it went up to 0.8. For a few sols it kept communicating. Became harder for the vehicle to wake up as the dust has hung around. Nov 5th - was the last time they heard from Phoenix. At this time pretty convinced the vehicle is no longer available to us. Declaring an end of mission operations at this time. Going to keep listening with MODY and MRO - but no one has any expectations of that happening. |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 350 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. Member No.: 86 |
Phoenix was a fun mission. And if we hear from it again, it will be that much more exciting. I look forward to seeing the (as of yet!) complete results.
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Nov 10 2008, 09:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
It was the most exciting EDL ever that's for certain.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Nov 10 2008, 09:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
It was the most exciting EDL ever that's for certain. Indeed. Seems like it was yesterday... -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
(I still have the half-eaten bag of peanuts).
-------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Nov 10 2008, 09:20 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Yeah, that was a heck of a night, wasn't it? Thank you everyone on the Phoenix team for a wonderful few months!
Looking forward to the science results. Lots of delights and surprises lurking in that data, I'm sure. -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:21 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Sad topic to start - but it marks the end of a great mission.
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Nov 10 2008, 09:25 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Sad, but inevitable, and everyone involved in the mission should feel very, very proud of what they and their lander achieved during Phoenix's all-too-brief stay on Mars. Thanks to them we saw martian ice glinting in the sunlight, clouds scudding across the sky, dust devils whorling in the distance... so many wonderful memories for us all to look back on in years to come.
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Nov 10 2008, 09:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 808 Joined: 10-October 06 From: Maynard Mass USA Member No.: 1241 |
from my phone via twitter From Phoenix mission ops: Phoenix is no longer communicating with Earth. We'll continue to listen, but it's likely its mission has ended. (it is now ~4:27pm Eastern US time, Nov 10, 2008) -------------------- CLA CLL
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Nov 10 2008, 09:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 206 |
Anyone have the final / last image that Pheonix took?
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Nov 10 2008, 09:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 25-October 05 From: California Member No.: 535 |
Farewell, Phoenix. We hardly knew ye.
-------------------- 2011 JPL Tweetup photos: http://www.rich-parno.com/aa_jpltweetup.html
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Nov 10 2008, 09:32 PM
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RIP Phoenix - you were a great mission.
The best is yet to come - the data analysis is really only beginning. |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:38 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8-November 06 From: Indiana, USA Member No.: 1337 |
It's better to hear this news from friends than from some strange on Television this evening.
Great Mission! |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:39 PM
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Forum Contributor Group: Members Posts: 1372 Joined: 8-February 04 From: North East Florida, USA. Member No.: 11 |
Oh how sad. The fall weather is harsh up there.
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Nov 10 2008, 09:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 29-January 06 Member No.: 667 |
I might as well link this here:
JPL Phoenix Mission News: Mars Phoenix Lander Finishes Successful Work on Red Planet (2008 November 10) QUOTE NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has ceased communications after operating for more than five months. As anticipated, seasonal decline in sunshine at the robot's arctic landing site is not providing enough sunlight for the solar arrays to collect the power necessary to charge batteries that operate the lander's instruments.
Mission engineers last received a signal from the lander on Nov. 2. Phoenix, in addition to shorter daylight, has encountered a dustier sky, more clouds and colder temperatures as the northern Mars summer approaches autumn. The mission exceeded its planned operational life of three months to conduct and return science data. The project team will be listening carefully during the next few weeks to hear if Phoenix revives and phones home. However, engineers now believe that is unlikely because of the worsening weather conditions on Mars. [...] |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:41 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
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Nov 10 2008, 09:42 PM
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Nov 10 2008, 09:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
At a previous news conference, it was stated that a dozen or so AFM images had been taken. Any chance we could see some of those?
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Nov 10 2008, 09:59 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
(Sigh)...well, all good things must come to an end, and Phoenix was a very good thing indeed.
My deepest congratulations to the entire team; superbly done, ladies and gentlemen! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 10 2008, 10:00 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:04 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Do you know offhand what the PDS delivery date is?
(I know I can look this up -- busy day) -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Nov 10 2008, 10:10 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
From the Archive PLan PDF I've seen - http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/missions/...rchive_Plan.pdf
QUOTE The actual delivery schedule will exceed these requirements: the Phoenix Project will make at least two deliveries to the PDS, the first one no later than six months after Sol 30 data are received on Earth, and the second one no later than six months after Sol 90 data are received on Earth. In the event of an extended mission, subsequent data releases will occur for every 90 sols; for example, Sol 180 plus six months, then Sol 270 plus six months, with the final delivery occurring no later than six months after the last data have been received on Earth. and QUOTE ~ December 9, 2008 Delivery of data from Sols 1 to 30 to PDS two weeks before first release ~ December 23, 2008 First data release 6 months after sol 30 ~ February 8, 2009 Delivery of data from Sols 31 to 90 to PDS two weeks before second release ~ February 22, 2009 Second data release 6 months after sol 90 4 different flavours of AFM data in the plan, including calibrated topographs. |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:13 PM
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IMG to PNG GOD Group: Moderator Posts: 2251 Joined: 19-February 04 From: Near fire and ice Member No.: 38 |
This is sad but still I'm happy - this was a great and successful mission that lasted well beyond the nominal 90 day mission. Following the EDL live and then seeing the first images just a few seconds after they were received on Earth was especially memorable.
However: Back in January 2004, who would have thought that at the end of a successful Phoenix mission both of the MERs would still be going strong? |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:15 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
I was thinking that too, Bjorn.
Engineering, thy name is JPL!!! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 10 2008, 10:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
Great mission - it's been a fantastic ride over the last few months. Thanks to all involved. Goodbye Phoenix.
Anyone have the final / last image that Pheonix took? This unremarkable pair are sitting at the bottom of my MMB directory: http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS151ESF909...5_20973L5M1.jpg http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS151ESF909...5_20973R5M1.jpg -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1619 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Bergerac - FR Member No.: 678 |
Fantastic mission. She has been a true friend on Mars. A great engine of dreams…
Now, she can meet her sisters : Viking 1 & 2, Mars Pathfinder… -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Heraklion, GR. Member No.: 112 |
Sad sad sad. But looking forward to science results and HiRiSe images of our baby in early 2010. She 'll be there.
PS. Anybody has any idea about the last Twitter message from Phoenix posted 1h ago in binary code ? The numbers are (if I have done it correctly) 84 114 105 117 109 112 104 <3 Is it some kind of coded message ? (Well duh ?) |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
And this is a quick go at the last image of the Martian surface taken by Phoenix.
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Nov 10 2008, 10:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 153 Joined: 11-December 04 Member No.: 120 |
its plain decimal ascii.
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Nov 10 2008, 10:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 22-September 08 From: Spain Member No.: 4350 |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:47 PM
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Martian Photographer Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 3-March 05 Member No.: 183 |
This unremarkable pair are sitting at the bottom of my MMB directory: http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS151ESF909...5_20973L5M1.jpg http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS151ESF909...5_20973R5M1.jpg These are the last two. Not exactly going out in a blaze of glory... But those are a water vapor band/continuum pair, so Phoenix was following the water to the end. |
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Nov 10 2008, 10:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 19-August 07 Member No.: 3299 |
I have been following all of his story. Later I did not have doubt that its mission was going very well; before to land on Mars, I had high confidence of its good touchdown. Later, the Phoenix's team did not sleep trying to get the most of precious short time and they were able to exceed all goals.
Hence, the mission of Phoenix was a truly of a great achievement. Congratulations to a good job to Phoenix's team. The most peculiar things that comes up to my memory from Phoenix are:
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Nov 10 2008, 11:00 PM
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Martian Photographer Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 3-March 05 Member No.: 183 |
Back in January 2004, who would have thought that at the end of a successful Phoenix mission both of the MERs would still be going strong? Ssh. Don't jinx anything. We lost Phoenix approximately when expected, and in approximately the expected way. There was just no avoiding the harshness of the environment. With MER, there were those, not optimists but pragmatists, who expected Summer/Fall '05. A few optimists said more. I don't think I heard Fall '08 and beyond . Even so, only Opportunity is going strong. Spirit needs help--little recent odometry, minimal recent science, and dusty solar panels choking off power. Or to put it another way: one is still hopefully roving, the other is hopefully still roving. |
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Nov 10 2008, 11:01 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 29-January 06 Member No.: 667 |
Phoenix Project Archive Generation, Validation and Transfer Plan (PDF)
QUOTE The Phoenix Project Level 1 requirements state that Level 0 and Level 1 imaging data shall be archived with PDS within six months of the end of the mission, and all other Level 0 and Level 1 data shall be archived within 12 months of the end of the mission [Applicable Document 3]. The actual delivery schedule will exceed these requirements: the Phoenix Project will make at least two deliveries to the PDS, the first one no later than six months after Sol 30 data are received on Earth, and the second one no later than six months after Sol 90 data are received on Earth. In the event of an extended mission, subsequent data releases will occur for every 90 sols; for example, Sol 180 plus six months, then Sol 270 plus six months, with the final delivery occurring no later than six months after the last data have been received on Earth. Table 5 shows the dates for archive data acquisition and release. QUOTE August 23, 2008 Sol 91: Start of extended mission
November 20, 2008 Sol 180 ~ December 9, 2008 Delivery of data from Sols 1 to 30 to PDS two weeks before first release ~ December 23, 2008 First data release 6 months after sol 30 ~ February 8, 2009 Delivery of data from Sols 31 to 90 to PDS two weeks before second release ~ February 22, 2009 Second data release 6 months after sol 90 TBD Subsequent data releases for every 90 sols through end of mission, with data delivered to PDS two weeks in advance of release date. |
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Nov 10 2008, 11:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Heraklion, GR. Member No.: 112 |
Thanks Cugel and Fran.
I see 3 is fittingly "End of Text". |
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Nov 10 2008, 11:08 PM
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This unremarkable pair are sitting at the bottom of my MMB directory: .... http://www.met.tamu.edu/mars/i/SS151ESF909...5_20973R5M1.jpg I think that is a quite remarkable last image. I distinctly see the soul of Phoenix shooting lightning-fast into the Martian sky. |
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Nov 10 2008, 11:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Forest of Dean Member No.: 617 |
Looking forward, the AGU meeting and the PDS data releases are going to be very interesting. We know how hard a problem it was to get a lander down intact in the polar regions, let alone get an extended mission out of it; the whole team richly deserves a storm of applause as the curtain falls, and they certainly get it from me. And possibly some bouquets of flowers flying over the orchestra pit and cries of "encore!"
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Nov 10 2008, 11:27 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
Damn...I've shed a couple of tears for Phoenix,I admit it...seing through the chute photo, the first images...the amazing, thrilling landing day...
Dear Phoenix...you were an amazing embassadress from our planet, sad to imagine you cold, dead on that desert landscape of another planet, far from all those who design and built you and made you fly high above from the craddle...I'll miss you. We'll soon join there on the Red Planet. Thank you for your fantastic life! It was your way! -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Nov 10 2008, 11:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 813 Joined: 29-December 05 From: NE Oh, USA Member No.: 627 |
Just as parents live on in their children, Phoenix lives on in the data. Who knows that butterflies will come forth from that!?
Goodbye Mayfly..... your data will live on forever. May descendants of your fragile creators find you and touch you some future day. Craig |
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Nov 10 2008, 11:35 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Farewell Phoenix...
And everyone really should read this poignant farewell from the lander itself... just superbly written, and very touching... this is how Outreach should be done. -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2008, 11:56 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Touching indeed....(sigh)....
It's sad, but let's never forget the excitement of landing day here on UMSF; it's a fun read now, we were all a bit giddy! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 11 2008, 12:29 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Now I know what Buzz meant when he said "Neil - we missed the whole thing"
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Nov 11 2008, 12:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: 21-December 07 From: Clatskanie, Oregon Member No.: 3988 |
I dont know if anyone noticed, but phoenix passed on the same day that MGS passed exactly 2 years ago .
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Nov 11 2008, 12:57 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
...an odd anniversary indeed, James! Thanks for pointing that out.
Yeah, Doug, forgot you were with Sir Patrick that day live...you still had one of the best seats in the house, though! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Nov 11 2008, 01:19 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 221 Joined: 25-March 05 Member No.: 217 |
Hi all
Yes it's a sad day but it's been a great mission, from seven minutes of terror (the music still gives me goosebumps) to the last nine days of silence I've kept up with Phoenix on UMSF and elsewhere every day. Thanks to all here and of course the whole Phoenix team for everything. Roy |
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Nov 11 2008, 01:24 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 26-May 08 From: Ottawa, Canada Member No.: 4139 |
"A moment later Jonathan's body wavered in the air, shimmering, and
began to go transparent. "Don't let them spread silly rumors about me, or make me a god. O.K., Fletch? I'm a seagull. I like to fly, maybe..." |
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Nov 11 2008, 02:32 AM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
I dont know if anyone noticed, but phoenix passed on the same day that MGS passed exactly 2 years ago . That would have been amazing. I checked, though, and MGS was last heard from on November 5, 2006. Barry Goldstein first said that Phoenix was last heard from on November 5, but he also said it was last heard from on Sunday, which was November 2. A question from the press made him clarify and he said yes, he meant Sunday, November 2. Still, the anniversary is awfully close. --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Nov 11 2008, 05:17 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
It's a sad/happy day. It helps a little that we all knew it was coming, and we all knew it was going to happen right around this time.
Many, many amazing memories for me from Phoenix. Satisfaction that this type of lander finally made it, nearly a decade after MPL really tearing my heart out. Intense emotions during EDL. I *really* wanted this one to get through. Fascination at what small-scale polygonal crust looks like from the surface, and in general fascination over what yet another distinct part of Mars looks like. Pure delight at the OM and AFM images. Extreme frustration over the inability of TEGA to get an ice sample. When the mission started, we had Jim Garvin on TV stating in awed, hushed tones, "not only do we think we're we going to find water ice, we're going to reach out and taste it! Can you imagine what we can learn from that???" And yet -- not a single taste of the water. Extreme frustration... All in all, far more wonder than frustration... but t'would have been even more wonderful had we actually managed to taste the ice. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Nov 11 2008, 05:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 11-April 08 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 4093 |
It has been a rather short but intense mission indeed. Feels like we've heard "Phoenix ... Phoenix has landed. Welcome to the Northern plains of Mars". Made a lot of friends thanks to Phoenix!
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Nov 11 2008, 06:30 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 202 Joined: 9-September 08 Member No.: 4334 |
Extended mission, and it still seems all too short ... goodbye Phoenix...
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Nov 11 2008, 07:02 AM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
From the HiRISE blog:
"The last image we took of the lander shows it sitting pretty, just as it has been since May 25th. We’ll take another picture this week, and probably continue to monitor the site after conjunction to study how frost covers the area." We haven't seen the last of Phoenix. -------------------- |
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Nov 11 2008, 11:36 AM
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Nov 11 2008, 11:56 AM
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Rover Driver Group: Members Posts: 1015 Joined: 4-March 04 Member No.: 47 |
At least it died in the way it was intended to die. It was good while it lasted. Now, let's wait for all the exciting papers that will be coming out.
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Nov 11 2008, 01:26 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 13-October 08 Member No.: 4450 |
Sad topic to start - but it marks the end of a great mission. Although today has been a somber day for me as well, it has been a wonderful priviledge to work with the EDL and Science Teams for the past 2-3 years. I have learned a great deal from this experience. Thank you all for this opportunity! - Manish Mehta |
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Nov 11 2008, 02:47 PM
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R.I.P. Phoenix
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Nov 11 2008, 02:59 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
When someone writes a post that ends with "But that's probably not a subject for this forum"....they're usually right.
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Nov 11 2008, 04:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Princeton, NJ, USA Member No.: 212 |
Phoenix .. We love you and shall miss you deeply
You have provided a thrilling science ride from beginning to end ... discovering ice sheets beneath and swirling ice clouds above. RIP ken |
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Nov 11 2008, 04:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2922 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Great shared souvenirs from landing with you all.
Waiting for papers realease Waiting to see her from HiRise. Altogether, it's a -------------------- |
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Nov 11 2008, 04:42 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 21-September 07 Member No.: 3910 |
Extended mission, and it still seems all too short ... goodbye Phoenix... Although very, very slim, the possibility is not zero that Phoenix may awaken a bit more than a year from now, depending on the extent of damage due to ice accumulation on the solar panels and the extreme cold on the circuitry. |
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Nov 11 2008, 04:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
I will never, ever forget this image. It made me proud to be a part of the same species as the guys who pulled this off. What a triumph of human achievement.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Nov 11 2008, 05:07 PM
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It made me proud to be a part of the same species as the guys who pulled this off. Thank you, Dan. That summed up *perfectly* a lot of what I've been feeling about this mission. I know I still get goosebumps thinking about that image. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Nov 11 2008, 05:20 PM
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Nov 11 2008, 07:33 PM
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Nov 11 2008, 07:46 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Good to know, but if you listen carefully I think you can hear not just the fading echoes of the fat lady's song, but the stage lights being turned off, the seats being flipped back up and the doors locked too...
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Nov 11 2008, 08:41 PM
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let's never forget the excitement of landing day here on UMSF As well as the memories I still have the chat logs, and the champagne cork The sense of a community coming together with the mission team, Doug's webcast with Sir Patrick Moore, Emily's live u-streams, Peter Smith and Barry Goldstein's expressions... an absolutely magical night. -------------------- --
Viva software libre! |
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Nov 11 2008, 08:42 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: 21-December 07 From: Clatskanie, Oregon Member No.: 3988 |
Thanks for clarifying that Emily.
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Nov 11 2008, 09:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
Quite appropriate, and there's even a nod to TEGA in the lyrics: "Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew, when I bit off more than I could chew." Doing science for 149 out of 152 Sols is an impressive record to be sure. Phoenix will be in my thoughts, although being someone who doesn't tolerate cold very well, the encasement in ice is not something I want to dwell on too much. |
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Nov 11 2008, 11:16 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 6-August 08 From: Augusta, Maine Member No.: 4305 |
Thanks to all of the brilliant minds on this blog who have been so supportive of the entire mission.
This was the one place to go to get intelligent discussion, not a place where people pi$$ed and moaned about the information coming out of the mission. You were read regularly and frequently by the team. It was a great ride. I'll never have a better job than the one I had on Phoenix. Adios, space friends! |
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Nov 11 2008, 11:40 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Thanks Cony, I think I can speak for a lot of people here when I say that means a lot to us...
But hey, we're not done with Phoenix yet! We'll all be here picking through and discussing the science results as they're released, and no doubt producing and creating new and beautiful images as we patiently go through the old raws again, looking for stuff we missed the first time. So don't go away, ok? And to any of the Phoenix team who have read or are reading this, two words: THANK YOU! -------------------- |
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Nov 11 2008, 11:41 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14433 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
The fun starts in a months time when the data hits the PDS
Between now and then, we have the wrap party Doug |
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Nov 11 2008, 11:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 813 Joined: 8-February 04 From: Arabia Terra Member No.: 12 |
Sad but inevitable. Oh well. Phoenix had a better innings than MPF, and now she's part of Mars history.
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Nov 12 2008, 12:18 AM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Sad but inevitable. Oh well. Phoenix had a better innings than MPF, and now she's part of Mars history. Better? Not so. Sojourner had a 7 day primary mission, and the lander had a 30 day primary mission. Also, Pathfinder was an engineering mission not a science mission, yet it ended up doing good science. Phoenix and Pathfinder were both great successes, but your comparison is not valid. -------------------- |
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Nov 12 2008, 01:06 AM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 96 Joined: 20-September 06 From: Hanoi, Vietnam Member No.: 1164 |
Goodbye Phoenix! However we'll keep an eye on you from orbit.
I'm waiting for the snow-covered image of Phoenix from MRO in the coming months. And perhaps, as winter comes and goes, will our bird rise again? |
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Nov 12 2008, 03:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 237 Joined: 22-December 07 From: Alice Springs, N.T. Australia Member No.: 3989 |
All good things must come to an end!
My personal take: - - A great acheivement, not least in the high standards set for openness and inclusivity. All part of the evolution of modern science. Thanks Phoenix team, how amazing it has been to follow this adventure. - Heimdal Crater shot. Inspiring and gives a great sense of perspective on things. - Scudding clouds and 'varga' snow. (My personal favourite - just so evocative). - Ok, so TEGA didn't work perfectly.... but such stimulating discoveries! Future.... data analysis: - - I'm dying to find out more about perchlorates/carbonates and the gound-atmosphere interaction. Regret: - - Didn't see CO2 snow!! Perhaps a couple of clear days and.............. |
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Nov 12 2008, 08:19 AM
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Pheonix, don't go towards the light!! Come back to us! What're you saying?? Phoenix! Go towards the light! You need it for your solar panels! But that sure was a tense EDL. I was also listening to the live NASA feed; it was so awesome hearing the altitude countdown after it separated from the heatshield and was falling on its own, to hear the increments between announcements decreasing, indicating that it was slowing down properly. Such a perfect descent. |
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Nov 12 2008, 09:39 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 13-July 05 From: The Hague, NL Member No.: 434 |
Let me be the first to say that I am eagerly awaiting the scientific results from Phoenix before forming a view about the success of Phoenix.
But in the meantime…. I am a chemical engineer (process technology) from origine and I would like to get it off my chest that if the Phoenix Mission expected to stuff a soil/ice type of sample through a narrow TEGA opening further constrained by a fine mesh, then from a simple engineering perspective that was simply completely wrong, well outside the ballpark compared to the principles applied in (process-) engineering practices. I think we should not "gift-wrap" this message somewhere in a larger evaluation, but try to examine it separately for learning & ongoing improvements. On the one hand I feel better for having gone on record with this, but overall I have a huge admiration for the team who developed the Phoenix idea and took it all the way to Mars. This is the stuff that space exploration is made off! If I may use the analogy of the oil drilling engineers (Clint Eastwood and others) coming to the assistance of a space mission in the cinema, then perhaps it is time to expand the space exploration effort and include more “ordinary” engineering inputs from outside the space centres, as missions get their hands dirty on the surface of asteroids, moons and planets... |
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Nov 12 2008, 12:12 PM
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Nov 12 2008, 01:22 PM
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Oh thats nice.
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Nov 12 2008, 02:32 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
My take on the last colour scene imaged by Phoenix on Sol 151...
http://phoenixpics.wordpress.com/2008/11/1...s-last-postcard -------------------- |
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Nov 12 2008, 03:38 PM
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I make this the last RAC image 16:05 on Sol 149
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/..._20870MDM1.html This is the last MI image at 14:26 on Sol 149 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/..._207A0MGM1.html This the last SSI image that wasn't a solar observation on sol 151 at 5:31 am http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/..._20900R6M1.html And your colour image was about 15 minutes before that - 5:17 am, |
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Nov 12 2008, 03:57 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 96 Joined: 20-September 06 From: Hanoi, Vietnam Member No.: 1164 |
I recall that when Phoenix tried to get some samples and had the dirt sprayed the DVD, somebody hilariously commented "We're on Mars and now Mars's on us"
Oh I laughed out loud at that time Also the short movie of the wind indicator moving is simply amazing, many people were surprised since they thought Mars is also an inactive world like the Moon. |
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Nov 12 2008, 04:09 PM
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Nov 12 2008, 04:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1585 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
While frustrating, so much was and will be learned about working with that incalcitrant soil-- can only be excited about the advances that will be made from that! What techniques will be developed on earth to simulate the properties of it? What a boon to testing new lander systems.
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Nov 12 2008, 05:41 PM
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Hum, notice the last pictures of Oppy, especially the file name. i.e :
1N279734819EFF93RIP1994L0M1.JPG A hide message of Oppy for Phoenix? -------------------- |
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Nov 12 2008, 05:57 PM
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Site 93, Drive RI, Sequence P1994
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Nov 12 2008, 06:19 PM
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Yes Doug, I know that. But I found the coincidence amusing .
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Nov 12 2008, 06:53 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 1-May 06 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 758 |
Mars Pathfinder lived from July 4, 1997 to October 7, 1997 (95 days / 93 sols). The Sojourner rover may actually have stayed active a bit longer in survival mode.
Phoenix lasted from May 25, 2008 to November 2, 2008 (161 days / 157 sols). I think that Phoenix was a very respectable mission. Now if we only had an astronaut available to scrape the ice out of the scoop... Rob |
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Nov 12 2008, 08:58 PM
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Nice video tribute here... (`-) *hem, hem*. What a great excuse for a swift perspective and slimline-tonic with-ice-but-no-lemon. Thanks! -------------------- --
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Nov 12 2008, 09:54 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Phoenix lasted from May 25, 2008 to November 2, 2008 (161 days / 157 sols). I think that Phoenix was a very respectable mission. Now if we only had an astronaut available to scrape the ice out of the scoop... Rob I would add that comparing the life of Phoenix to the other Martian landers isn't really fair. Being solar powered in the polar region, it had more working against it than the failure of critical components (which never happened) and accumulation of dust on its solar panels. -------------------- |
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Nov 12 2008, 11:46 PM
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Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
Nice video tribute here... Ain't got the words to describe my feelings watching that video...when the HiRISE image appeared it was time for a tremendous shower over the laptop...damn...why do this things have to be so freaking beautifully dramatic?...I'll miss you Phoenix... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Nov 12 2008, 11:56 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
when the HiRISE image appeared it was time for a tremendous shower over the laptop... You meant tears, right? -------------------- |
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Nov 14 2008, 05:32 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Finland > Turku Member No.: 733 |
Well... R.I.P Phoenix - that was short but beautiful story...
But I would like see HiRiSe photos at the Phoenix when there is middle winter in the Mars. Interesting to see that will it be covered by the snow and Ice? |
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Nov 14 2008, 09:31 PM
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Nov 14 2008, 09:34 PM
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Themis IR imaging
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Nov 15 2008, 01:35 AM
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Good luck with themis to .
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Nov 15 2008, 02:36 AM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
I know MOC took some images using the twilight from sunlight hitting the upper atmosphere during the winter. However, these images were heavily binned. I am not sure if HIRISE could pull this off with a signal to noise ratio good enough to detect Phoenix.
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