Exploring Gediz Vallis and its ridge, Sols 3871-xxxx, 1 Jul 2023- |
Exploring Gediz Vallis and its ridge, Sols 3871-xxxx, 1 Jul 2023- |
Jun 30 2023, 02:41 PM
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I think it's time for a new topic. We are effectively at the entrance to Gediz Vallis now that we have climbed this last slope on sol 3871.
The previous topic described the Greenheugh Pediment. We made a valiant attempt (two valiant attempts really) to explore its surface. It was too rough for Curiosity's dainty wheels but its outer edge was examined in detail. But now there are new targets: a crater cluster, the Gediz Vallis Ridge whose upper part is accessible from this level, and the large valley and its central sinuous valley as well. I attached a picture seen at LPSC - I am embarrassed to say that I can't remember where it was from. Usually I have detailed notes of sources but this one slipped through. Maybe someone will recognize it and I can add a source. It gives the name of the butte at the western entrance to the valley, annotated onto the JPL map. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jul 1 2023, 09:54 AM
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Jul 1 2023, 07:02 PM
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Indeed quite the vista unfolding as Phil described. Here's a sequence of drives that topped the ridge by going through the area of the double alcove, using official mosaics between Sols 3860 and 3873.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jul 2 2023, 05:10 PM
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Jul 5 2023, 08:53 PM
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Jul 6 2023, 11:26 AM
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Jul 6 2023, 12:27 PM
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This is the worst of the images, but a frightening amount of damage to the most damaged wheel. No wonder the rover planners have worked to avoid crossing any terrain with pointy rock surfaces. With three adjacent grouser bars Brocken or missing in the image, I wonder how close to failure this wheel is and how much more damage it can accumulate and still keep on trucking
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Jul 6 2023, 02:36 PM
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Jul 6 2023, 02:42 PM
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Jul 6 2023, 08:07 PM
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Thanks Fred. I must have missed the 3492 image. It is reassuring that it is basically unchanged over that length of time.
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Jul 7 2023, 06:56 AM
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Jul 7 2023, 07:42 PM
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Jul 8 2023, 10:48 AM
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Jul 8 2023, 03:27 PM
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Latest drive back more to the southwest using official mosaics for Sols 3873 and 3880.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jul 9 2023, 08:52 PM
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Jul 10 2023, 12:31 PM
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Jul 10 2023, 12:37 PM
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Jul 10 2023, 05:42 PM
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Jan's panorama for sol 3880 in circular form. That's one rocky surface. Curiosity will have to tiptoe through it.
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Jul 12 2023, 06:11 PM
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Jul 15 2023, 12:59 PM
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Jul 15 2023, 05:08 PM
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Latest drives are westward using official mosaics between Sols 3880 and 3887.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jul 17 2023, 10:16 AM
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Jul 17 2023, 06:25 PM
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Jul 18 2023, 01:01 AM
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Gigapan - MSL 3886 MR © NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS/NeV-T Gigapan - MSL 3885-3887 CC © NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS/LANL/CNES/IRAP/NeV-T -------------------- |
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Jul 18 2023, 09:26 PM
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Jul 19 2023, 08:08 PM
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This is Jan's sol 3890 panorama in circular form. As Nogal said in the map thread, the craters are hard to discern, but they would show up better with more oblique illumination.
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Jul 20 2023, 03:35 AM
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Jul 20 2023, 01:59 PM
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Jul 20 2023, 07:35 PM
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The "craters" rather subdued in images from rover vs images from satellites.
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Jul 21 2023, 06:19 AM
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Jul 21 2023, 02:21 PM
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Such a fascinating site!
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Jul 21 2023, 09:20 PM
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Jul 23 2023, 01:48 PM
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Jul 23 2023, 04:32 PM
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Latest drives are westward and slightly upward while traversing the slope using official mosaics between Sols 3887 and 3894.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jul 23 2023, 09:02 PM
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Jul 25 2023, 12:50 PM
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Beautiful Neville. How to explain an environment filled with large boulders scattered on the floor of this valley: erosion, scree area, debacle, flood. What era? What phenomenon can explain a landscape. -------------------- |
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Jul 25 2023, 03:26 PM
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Jul 25 2023, 04:14 PM
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Beautiful Neville. How to explain an environment filled with large boulders scattered on the floor of this valley: erosion, scree area, debacle, flood. What era? What phenomenon can explain a landscape. I'm guessing that innumerable meteor impacts over time have fractured the bedrock and displaced the blocks. |
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Jul 25 2023, 10:37 PM
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Probably three major influences once water permanently dried up and deposition gave way to deflation. Significant thermal variation daily causing cracking, wind erosion and gravity. All acting over billions of years in a benign environment.
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Jul 29 2023, 08:45 PM
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Latest drives are WSW towards the craters then turning SSE using official mosaics between Sols 3894 and 3901.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jul 31 2023, 02:58 AM
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Latest drives are to the SE, here using official mosaics from Sols 3901 and 3904 with the best horizon coverage.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jan's panorama for sol 3910 in circular form - I have been too busy to catch up with all the drives.
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Jan's panorama for sol 3912 in circular form. Now it looks like a straightforward drive to the base of the Gediz Vallis Ridge, only about 60 m away.
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Latest drives are to the SSE, animated here using official mosaics between Sols 3904 and 3914. The route has been traversing the local slope somewhat with a gradual climb. A more direct steeper climb would be towards the closest part of the Gediz Vallis ridge seen rising above the SW horizon.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Latest drive is to the SW, animated here using official mosaics from Sols 3914 and 3917. This is a more direct climb towards the closest part of the Gediz Vallis ridge seen rising above the SW horizon. One can see the gain in elevation relative to the layers at the base of Kukenan located to the east.
Longer steppable drive animation with a combination of official and Jan's mosaics from Sol 3435 to the present. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jan's panorama for sol 3914 in circular form. Getting close to the ridge now, and a good view of the sandy valley just NE of the rover.
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