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post Mar 11 2015, 01:49 AM
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The plans for the Near Encounter Phase of the New Horizons mission have been set in stone since 2009. This week the mission has posted a Playbook that describes all the data that is going to be returned from the Near Encounter Phase -- not only the timing and geometry, but also when it is going to be played back. I also posted an article today about the data that will be played back during the couple of weeks surrounding closest approach. Some of the things I learned while writing that article that are of interest to this forum:

- Not a lot of data is being returned right away (in fact, only 1% gets returned within a week of the flyby).
- After July 20, there will be a long dry spell of no images being returned until the browse data set starts coming down on September 16.
- There will not be much scope for image processing on the data that is being returned near the flyby. There are one or two pairs of images that you can use to make stereo; there are two mosaics; there is one MVIC image for which there is LORRI data returned near enough in time to do colorization.

So it's going to be awesome, but we're also going to have to be patient!

Here is my simulation, using Voyager data, of the LORRI data set that we can expect to have on the ground as of July 20.



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post Mar 19 2015, 12:03 AM
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Thanks so much for this very informative chart. Is the entire New-Horizons-facing Pluto hemisphere expected to be documented at 0.4km/pix resolution?
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post Mar 19 2015, 02:54 PM
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Not all of it; there is a 15-footprint mosaic that covers maybe 30% of the visible disk. It's on page 20 of the Playbook I linked to in my post.


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post Mar 20 2015, 08:28 PM
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Thank you! - Your chart is an excellent overview of the visuals to expect. The playbook has all the info, but your graphic is more digestible for those of us with limited time due to real life constraits (i.e. job and toddlers :-)
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That's interesting.....
So, what happens between the time of the 15 highest-rez photos from 77,298km range (p.20) and the time when lower-rez photos are taken before (254,072km range, p.17) and after (359,895km range, p.22) ?
I realize it's all done on July 14, but just how long does it take to get each of the 15 hi-rez photos? ....one might be tempted to think that a more complete hemispheric coverage could be had. Why not ? (Thnx)


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post Mar 21 2015, 08:45 AM
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Primarily because NH's downlink bit-rate at that distance will be around 1kb/sec. Also, imagery obviously won't be the only data coming down and the DSN is a finite resource set that can't be dedicated to NH alone.

Excellent (as always) relevant blog article by Emily here.



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post Mar 21 2015, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Jaro_in_Montreal @ Mar 21 2015, 03:32 AM) *
That's interesting.....
So, what happens between the time of the 15 highest-rez photos from 77,298km range (p.20) and the time when lower-rez photos are taken before (254,072km range, p.17) and after (359,895km range, p.22) ?
I realize it's all done on July 14, but just how long does it take to get each of the 15 hi-rez photos? ....one might be tempted to think that a more complete hemispheric coverage could be had. Why not ? (Thnx)


A couple of possibilities come to mind, but they all lead back to a mix of too little time and finite storage capacity, and lots of choices on how to spend them.

If you look at the last panel in the figure you attached, you can see that it would take about 3x as many images to cover the expected error ellipse to be sure of getting the whole planet, so 3x as much time and 3x as much data.

This flyby isn't just about imaging, and there are tradeoffs, and I bet the meeting where the 15 images were settled upon was "interesting." Spectroscopy and occultations are also on the list, and those are going to take time and data as well. Since NH has to turn the whole spacecraft to point the instruments, it's not possible to get useful data from all the instruments at the same time. And don't forget the satellites, we want data on those as well.

But my gut tells me it's probably the amount of storage available on the spacecraft that limits the number of images, in the end. Maybe John will chime in to give the real answer.

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post Mar 21 2015, 02:45 PM
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The scarcest resource during the close approach period is time rather than data volume. The spacecraft is designed to do fast turns (up to 1.25 degree/sec) to observe as many targets as possible during the close approach period, but still, each mosaic repointing takes time to settle before we can be sure of a sharp image, time is needed to allocate the memory for recording each set of data, and so on. To answer the specific question, that 15-image Pluto mosaic takes about 20 minutes, and is preceded by Nix observations (hi-res imaging and our best infrared compositional map), and followed by our best infrared compositional map of Charon.

We do get most of the visible disk of Pluto at 0.3 km/pixel with our wide-angle camera MVIC near closest approach, and the whole disk at 0.46 km/pixel with MVIC ten minutes earlier- part of the purpose of that 15-image LORRI mosaic is to provide stereo coverage with the closer MVIC scans.

There were indeed many lively meetings to figure all this out, but they were almost never acrimonious- the entire science team understands the importance of the holistic view of the system that will be provided by all these wonderful overlapping data sets.

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post Mar 21 2015, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (john_s @ Mar 21 2015, 03:45 PM) *
The scarcest resource during the close approach period is time rather than data volume. The spacecraft is designed to do fast turns (up to 1.25 degree/sec) to observe as many targets as possible during the close approach period, but still, each mosaic repointing takes time to settle before we can be sure of a sharp image, time is needed to allocate the memory for recording each set of data, and so on. To answer the specific question, that 15-image Pluto mosaic takes about 20 minutes, and is preceded by Nix observations (hi-res imaging and our best infrared compositional map), and followed by our best infrared compositional map of Charon.

We do get most of the visible disk of Pluto at 0.3 km/pixel with our wide-angle camera MVIC near closest approach, and the whole disk at 0.46 km/pixel with MVIC ten minutes earlier- part of the purpose of that 15-image LORRI mosaic is to provide stereo coverage with the closer MVIC scans.

There were indeed many lively meetings to figure all this out, but they were almost never acrimonious- the entire science team understands the importance of the holistic view of the system that will be provided by all these wonderful overlapping data sets.

John



John is right, the NH sequence planning team for Pluto encounter was exceptionally collegial. The mapping he describes beats the NASA spec requirement for hemispheric mapping of 1 km by a healthy margin, and adds the high-res mosaic. We beat NASA spec for Pluto color mapping and composition mapping by healthy margins too. Amazing data sets are in store!
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post Mar 21 2015, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 21 2015, 10:54 AM) *
John is right, the NH sequence planning team for Pluto encounter was exceptionally collegial. The mapping he describes beats the NASA spec requirement for hemispheric mapping of 1 km by a healthy margin, and adds the high-res mosaic. We beat NASA spec for Pluto color mapping and composition mapping by healthy margins too. Amazing data sets are in store!


Shows what I know! wink.gif

Thanks John and Alan!
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post Mar 21 2015, 06:35 PM
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Jaro where did you get that image from?
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post Mar 21 2015, 06:40 PM
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Page 20 of the Observation Playbook.
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post Mar 21 2015, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Mar 21 2015, 06:40 PM) *
Page 20 of the Observation Playbook.



One note, this is only one of several Observation Playbooks. Others will be posted later on approach, covering other instruments and disciplines beyond just surface mapping by LORRI and MVIC. Stay tuned...
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post Mar 21 2015, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Mar 21 2015, 02:10 PM) *
Stay tuned...


Thanks Alan for letting us "in the conference room!"


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Thirded! I haven't been this excited since Voyager 2 encountered Neptune back in 1989!
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Thank you for letting us get an insight via your "Observation Playbook".
I can only echo what already been said, that this will indeed be one interesting encounter.

Now I hope you give NH another good workout so she wont sprain a muscle during that intense cosmic ballet performance. =)
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post Mar 23 2015, 02:05 AM
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I will chime in and say that a major part in New Horizons success thus far has been its team dynamic. I have been amazed, given the competing priorities, at the cooperative spirit with which things are dealt with.


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Good morning from Los Angeles! Today marks the beginning of the near encounter phase. NASA TV will air the pre-flyby briefing at 1430 GMT today (13 Jul). Note that all times are subject to change as events unfold.

Please utilize this thread for all New Horizons commentary for the next several days. Here we go!!! smile.gif




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post Jul 13 2015, 02:09 PM
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One thing that was being discussed in the last thread, about all of the features that look like "rivers" or "lakes" and the criticism that Pluto's pressure is too low for, say, liquid nitrogen to flow:

Given a triple point pressure of around 12kPa and a solid density of 1027 kg/m^3, 3,2kPa surface pressure, and 0,655m/s^2 pluto surface gravity, Pluto's triple point could be hit underneath as little as 13 meters of nitrogen ice (a bit more, as it would have to have at least a tiny bit of "fluff" to it to float, but that's to be expected). Other ices floating on it such as methane ice could have the same effect. And note that this ice wouldn't be heavily packed due to Pluto's weak gravity, it's the equivalent of less than one meter of nitrogen ice under Earth's gravity. Picture how much a meter of water snow (roughly the same density) packs down on Earth; I'd expect something roughly in the same ballpark - perhaps a situation like arctic sea ice.

Basically, even if there's not liquids flowing on the surface (eutectics or whatnot), there could still be liquids at a shallow depth with a weak ice pack on top of them. And iced-over rivers still flow and move things around.
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post Jul 13 2015, 02:14 PM
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Thanks for the analysis and the calculations Nafnlaus. That's the relevant problem. I was intersted in peforming that kind of simulations. No need to dig deep for the future lander if you're right. cool.gif
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An interesting thing is that there's a lot of potential liquids and mixtures of liquids / slushes / etc at different (shallow) depths that could be involved here, going through a wide range of dynamic changes as Pluto moves through its seasons. There could be some very complex processes involved in shaping this landscape. I'm sure whatever data comes back, it's going to lead to some very interesting papers down the road smile.gif
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Briefing placard now up on NASA TV.


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Starting now....
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I have been attempting to measure Pluto's radius from the images that have been obtained in the past few days. I have consistently been getting a values of 1190-1195 km in most cases (1194 km for the latest image). This is close to the radius that SPICE uses (1195 km) but I have seen smaller values elsewhere. Wikipedia gives two values, 1184 km and "1161 km (solid)". The PDS Rings Node Pluto Viewer seems to use a value of 1153 km (selectable in "Field of View" but I'm not completely sure this is the value used to render the Pluto diagrams - I suspect that value may be bigger).

I haven't measured Charon as thoroughly and not in the latest images but I have usually gotten values of 590-600 km. This isn't very far from the SPICE value (605 km).


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Pluto's polar cap confirmed as N2 & CH4 ices.

Alan states radius as 1185 km +/- 10.


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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 13 2015, 02:36 PM) *
Alan states radius as 1185 km +/- 10.

Saw this on NASA TV, nice to see measurements from the NH team only minutes after I posted my (much more crude) measurements here.
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By my count, we now have three different pronunciations of "Charon". smile.gif


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post Jul 13 2015, 02:56 PM
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given how it's written in Greek, "kharon" is the correct one
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QUOTE (Paolo @ Jul 13 2015, 08:56 AM) *
given how it's written in Greek, "kharon" is the correct one


However, the discoverer's wife's name is Charlene. Therefore the pronunciation is similar to Sharon (or Charlene). Wives usually win...
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post Jul 13 2015, 03:18 PM
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This is absolutely a case where space nerds win out over linguist nerds. The name is only pretending to be Greek. The moon is actually named after the discoverer's wife and is just modified slightly to look like it's mythological, to pass IAU inspection.

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excellent and informative briefing so far I must say
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The early, distant detection of ionized nitrogen seems to be the most unexpected thing thus far.

Presser wrapping up.


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Does anyone have an estimate of how much of Pluto will not be imaged at all? Either because it's in the dark or just due to the geometry of the encounter?

Best would be a contour map showing resolution in different regions, but just a measure of the invisible amount would be interesting. Same for Charon.
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yep, though I expected to see the few LORRI images from yesterday
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If I followed Dr. Stern correctly, molecular nitrogen was found five days out of closest approach. Actually at that distance it was ionized nitrogen and is believed to have come from Pluto. The detection was significantly further out than had been expected which *implies* some type of more energetic release mechanism on Pluto. However, the data resolution is too low to really tell at this point.

Also, the methane signature of Pluto's dark regions is significantly lower than that of the polar region.

We all get to add this new information to our image interpretations...

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New version of my Pluto map where I have added the 2015-07-11 22:23 image that was released by the NH team last night if I remember correctly (things are happening fast now!). Longitude 0 is at the left edge of the map.

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Of course this is probably only hours (or possibly even minutes) from getting completely outdated - and if I want to keep the map up to date I soon need to make a bigger version.
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1 million km.
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Next media event will be tomorrow 14 Jul/1130 GMT for closest approach, followed by a presser/image release.


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Is the media conference going to be uploaded to youtube? I missed it.
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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 13 2015, 11:42 AM) *
Next media event will be tomorrow 14 Jul/1130 GMT for closest approach, followed by a presser/image release.


Things are happening fast now. As mentioned in a previous briefing, we may not see all the data for awhile. But I'm sure they will put out some images and data this week.

I "accidentally" took a screen grab from a monitor during a live feed from NH Mission Operations today:


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It sure doesn't look like telemetry data. Although it's too small to be useful, if it is an image of Pluto or Charon, it could be a teaser of the kind of resolution and detail we can soon expect. Personally, I think it could be a close up on Pluto...
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Björn's map illustrates how the bright areas to the west in the last image release is probably (at the least) a half-decent preview of the rest of heart feature. The bright stuff here is probably similar to the bright stuff in the rest of it. Judging by lower-resolution maps, there were already solid hints that this part would not be some sort of uniform white, however.


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The fact that our closest approach view will include the brightest region and part of the dark region together with other parts in between albedos ,should give us a good representation of all terrain types visualized so far on pluto.
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New briefing is up here:

http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/inde...;catid=1:latest
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Just updated the New Horizons image database: http://nchazarra.duckdns.org/db/
Now you can also download the whole records in .csv.
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Omnibus New Horizons info post now up at the Planetary Society blog.


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QUOTE (Marvin @ Jul 13 2015, 04:52 PM) *
Things are happening fast now. As mentioned in a previous briefing, we may not see all the data for awhile. But I'm sure they will put out some images and data this week.

I "accidentally" took a screen grab from a monitor during a live feed from NH Mission Operations today:


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It sure doesn't look like telemetry data. Although it's too small to be useful, if it is an image of Pluto or Charon, it could be a teaser of the kind of resolution and detail we can soon expect. Personally, I think it could be a close up on Pluto...


I thought it was the NASA TV feed, they were watching themselves on NASA TV, for a few mins.
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QUOTE (paraisosdelsistemasolar @ Jul 13 2015, 06:20 PM) *
Just updated the New Horizons image database: http://nchazarra.duckdns.org/db/
Now you can also download the whole records in .csv.


Good work, and thank you for including all that information for the images. I bet it will useful for the image tweakers on this forum. =)
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QUOTE (alk3997 @ Jul 13 2015, 08:33 AM) *
Also, the methane signature of Pluto's dark regions is significantly lower than that of the polar region.


I guess the leading candidates for the dark stuff are some combination of:

1) Larger hydrocarbons, tholins, maybe the nitriles, etc. seen on Titan.
2) Varied grain sizes that appear darker for physical – rather than chemical – reasons.

There could be very interesting chemistry which will be difficult to interpret from a distance. We still don't know what the composition of the bulk of Titan's surface is, and NH will return a minuscule fraction of the observations of Pluto that Cassini-Huygens returned from Titan. The only compensation is that spectroscopy of Pluto's surface should not be impaired too much by the atmosphere.
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I thought it was the NASA TV feed, they were watching themselves on NASA TV, for a few mins.


Yes, it was on NASA TV, a live feed of Mission Operations after the presentation.

You could sense their excitement, and I don't blame them.

Edit: I just finished watching the replay Req kindly put up on the previous page. Start watching at around 60:42. One of the other staff comes over to check out the image I posted. Looks interesting! There is actually an earlier image to the one I posted if anyone wants to try to grab it.
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QUOTE (paraisosdelsistemasolar @ Jul 13 2015, 06:20 PM) *
Just updated the New Horizons image database: http://nchazarra.duckdns.org/db/
Now you can also download the whole records in .csv.


Very nice, thank you! Don't test on the live site, your PHP errors were showing!

Could you put a TARGET field on the index table? NH is now specifying whether the target is PLUTO or CHARON, and presumably the other moons may be targeted as well. It would be nice to see this right on the index table.

If you want to clean up that table, I would say that the compression, exposure, and missionphase fields are not really needed on the index table. It doesn't hurt to have them, but it makes the table too wide. Perhaps putting the Show Detail link on the left, instead of on the right, would help in that regard.

Again, thank you for the terrific index!
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 13 2015, 04:18 PM) *
This is absolutely a case where space nerds win out over linguist nerds.
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Learn something new everyday! I had always thought it was named after the ferryman from Hades, which would be appropriate since Hades is the ancient name of the underworld god: Pluto. Well disguised indeed!
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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 13 2015, 09:36 AM) *
Pluto's polar cap confirmed as N2 & CH4 ices.

Alan states radius as 1185 km +/- 10.

Bigger than Eris (1165 +/-6 km)
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It's fun to combine Bjorn's maps into an animation showing how the resolution is increasing, from east to west:
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Jim Christie has a good account of the naming of Charon in this interview:

http://www.astronomy.com/year-of-pluto/201...t-double-planet

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NASA has blocked the access to the root of the directories where images and metadata is stored, so the database won't be updating until I find a way to parse the web code.
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New images of Pluto and Charon just released:

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/how-big-is-plu...des-long-debate


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And that same webpage provide a new diameter value for Pluto, bringing Pluto back at the top of the list in the KBO family.

(The statement for the diameter of Pluto is 2,370 kilometers, Charon get 1208 km, for Nix there's an estimate of 35 kilometers, and Hydra at 45 kilometers.)
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Much more details here! This looks like giant dark sand dunes.


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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 13 2015, 10:36 AM) *
Alan states radius as 1185 km +/- 10.

QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jul 13 2015, 01:26 PM) *


These two sources don't seem to match up. The article linked above states:
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...observations of Charon confirm previous estimates of 751 miles (1208 km) kilometers) across.


EDIT: TheAnt just said the same thing.
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I had completely forgotten about the observation playbook! In that case, I can update my P_LORRI_STEREO_MOSAIC preview to show which frames will be played back this month (using the colors Emily used in her graphic earlier). So the Yellow frames are supposed to be played back Wednesday evening UTC, while the purple frames are supposed to be played back on the afternoon of July 20 UTC.

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Just playing with contrast in the brighter areas of Pluto and the terminators to make details easier to see.

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QUOTE (blake @ Jul 13 2015, 12:42 PM) *
These two sources don't seem to match up. The article linked above states:

and


EDIT: TheAnt just said the same thing.


1185km radius x 2 = 2370km diameter

I guess I'm missing what doesn't "add up"?

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QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jul 13 2015, 10:26 AM) *

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Astonishing detail on Pluto now, including apparent topography. There seem to be two distinct types of dark terrain. The part facing the camera looks like rugged highlands, but the part rotating into view at 7 o'clock looks flat, featureless, and much darker.


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To my eye, the dark blotches on the Whale hemisphere seem to have smoothly curving boundaries, while the dark areas on the anti-Whale hemisphere seem to have more irregular boundaries. I'm curious now if that's because they're categorically different or if it's the same materials but differences in topography. (Such as the difference between the jagged coastline of Greece vs. the smooth coastlines of Florida.)
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QUOTE (climber @ Jul 13 2015, 11:40 AM) *
Much more details here! This looks like giant dark sand dunes.

The same thought occurred to me, but surely those couldn't be dunes.... smile.gif

The prominent 'crater' and a couple other crater-like features look like impact craters that have been etched or 'deconstructed'. Come to think of it, the entire landscape along the lower latitudes appear to be heavily modified in such a manner. It is possible the highly-volatile ices were somehow driven off in these latitudes (leaving behind water ice 'residue'), while remaining intact in the higher latitudes?
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QUOTE (climber @ Jul 13 2015, 06:40 PM) *
Much more details here! This looks like giant dark sand dunes.

Those grey splotches do look like dunes. We need more pictures to be sure.
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QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 13 2015, 10:53 AM) *
Astonishing detail on Pluto now, including apparent topography. There seem to be two distinct types of dark terrain. The part facing the camera looks like rugged highlands, but the part rotating into view at 7 o'clock looks flat, featureless, and much darker.


This is a good observation. I bet when we see some color here, the two kinds of dark terrain end up being not quite the same color. Black and white can hide quite a bit of meaningful differences.
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The vaguely hexagonal feature above the bullseye appears even more crater-like now at the limb.
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That must be a crater on Charon at the 5 o'clock position. You can even see radial impact ejecta.

The crater on Pluto at the 4 o'clock doesn't show ejecta.

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If they are dunes on Pluto, what would cause them and what would they be made of? blink.gif
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QUOTE (Marvin @ Jul 13 2015, 07:12 PM) *
That must be a crater on Charon at the 5 o'clock position. You can even see radial impact ejecta.

Two craters actually. There's a smaller one to the right. But where are all the big impact basins? Charon is remarkably smooth.
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The dark center and bright ejecta around the 'crater' on Charon reminds me of the craters on some of Uranus's moons.
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QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jul 13 2015, 12:46 PM) *
Blake, maybe you're confusing radius and diameter?


You're absolutely right.
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There seems to be a bump on the limb at 8 o'clock on this image:

http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/pluto-s-...entral-meridian

If it's a mountain, it could correspond to an irregular, bumpy grey area somewhere between the large black
uniform area and smaller black patch at around 7 o clock position on the latest images

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/th...jhuapl-swri.png
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Not seeing any evidence of fluid movement in my view, Steve. That topography looks more sublimation-carved than anything else.


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If those are dunes, how tall could they get considering the surface gravity? Bigger than any on Earth?
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QUOTE (Marvin @ Jul 13 2015, 11:12 AM) *
If they are dunes on Pluto, what would cause them and what would they be made of? blink.gif


Pluto's atmosphere contains various compounds of nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen. It is struck by solar UV without protection from a magnetic field. As thin as that atmosphere is, and as weak as the UV is, that will still cause photochemical reactions, even if the rate of those reactions yields a vastly smaller total output than on, say, Titan.

A very small result accumulating for billions of years can still add up. And for a layer of dust to be visible, it does not have to be very thick – a micrometer is potentially enough to alter the visible appearance completely, just as a very thin layer of frost or snow can make something black on Earth appear white.

Titan is theorized to have aerosols drift downward and cover surfaces on the scale of centuries / millennia. Pluto might have a comparable result from a process that's, say, a million times slower, but over a period of time a million times longer.
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Some linear-ish streaking visible near the upper limb:

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QUOTE (fredk @ Jul 13 2015, 12:39 PM) *
Some linear-ish streaking visible near the upper limb:

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Looks like a bad comb-over. smile.gif

They do remind me of certain streaky features on Triton. The 'head' of the prominent one appears to be very near if not directly on the north pole.
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@JRehling, thanks for the response. I forgot to think of these bodies using large geological time scales.

Will Grundy, a planetary scientist and mission team member pretty much agrees with you and mentions the role UV light and cosmic rays could have played.

He also told Forbes early this year that:

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“If you see dark-colored dunes, my conjecture would be they’re made from some sort of frozen hydrocarbon soot,” said Grundy.

If New Horizons does see a dune field; and Pluto’s atmosphere is not nearly thick enough to wind-whip ice particles into dunes at present, then Grundy says that would be a pretty strong indicator that its atmosphere used to be much thicker. Another possibility is that somehow Pluto’s surface used to have enough liquid nitrogen to have created rippled dunes.


Link to article: Pluto May Harbor Wind-Whipped Dunes Of Ice And Soot
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Hmm. Diffidently, I must point out the dunes on 67P C-G. I suppose that the extent of a putative dune field may provide a discriminator between a formerly denser global atmosphere and the effects of local outgassing.


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Here's a different view of the fly-by event information from APL's website. It visualizes all those events, instrument by instrument, overlaying DSN communication periods and NASA TV schedule. Filter by instrument in the legend, or search for keywords


http://utprosim.com/newhorizons/index.html
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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 13 2015, 09:46 AM) *
Just playing with contrast in the brighter areas of Pluto and the terminators to make details easier to see.

Certainly no doubt about the Copernican-looking impact crater on Charon from these latest images, clearly formed rays and all.


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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 13 2015, 06:46 PM) *
Just playing with contrast in the brighter areas of Pluto and the terminators to make details easier to see.

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Thanks Phil. I can't help but now see Charon's large, dark patch as an impact basin with that 'outer ring' in your processed image. Conjecture I know, but still... huh.gif


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Less than 500,000 miles to closest approach, according to Eyes on the Solar System.
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I am struck by how similar the topology is within the dark areas to that in the bright basin further north. They look "dunish", but the scale suggests, hills and ridges. The majority of the surface seems to be a series of ridges and valleys looping around and the diagram posted sometime back for super volatile deposition matches this terrain. This leads me to think the colour is organics/dust deposited on the surface, maybe as suggested above in only a thin layer of millimetres.

On the latest Pluto image down at 5 O'clock there are three huge mountains, just to the left we can see the beginnings of another dark area which is surrounded by cliffs many kilometres high. On the left rim at the start of the heart plateau we can see a huge elevation change up to the bright plateau. On the edges of the heart plateau as it runs down into the basin again a sharp cliff marks the edge of the bright heart material and the lighter grey of a second step down to the flatter expanse of the temperate latitude basin. [admin edit]

To Charon, the craters hinted at before are quite clear now. Also clear now is how much of a Plateau the Polar ice cap is. That big nick on the limb at about 1 O'Clock continues as a deep valley all the way around the polar cap and its far cliff can be seen at 11 to 12 O'Clock. More wildly it might be speculated that nick is evidence of a subduction zone around the polar cap. I still can't explain why the cap is so dark, how organics and dust could be preferentially deposited at the poles, other than they would be a "cold spot" for concentrating any freezing volatiles. This implies Charon has or once had a significant atmosphere, either its own or what it has pulled off Pluto. It may not have large numbers of craters, but it appears to be a gnarly and very rugged world.
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So exciting...!

Curious about something: I'm looking at Bill Harris' post on the hi-res coverage http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=8047&view=findpost&p=223020
(quick link to image here: hires coverage preview ).

The long diagonal path of the highest resolution pictures (which I believe we won't see until the Fall) appears to run "off" the illuminated portion of Pluto just as it gets to the dark southeast edge of the "heart" (see the map at the top of the image). Does that mean that that part of the surface will be in darkness when the images are taken? If so, what is the anticipated result? Or is that just a byproduct of the available rough Pluto image with the correct orientation?

I've seen the discussions of resolution constraints on the Charon-shine pictures to be taken after closest approach, but this would be a different beast, yes?
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The New Horizon team was quoted in a tweet as saying that there are signs of "frost transport" in the images coming down. Something like this is probably responsible for the various surface features we now see on Pluto, as predicted earlier: "Occultation studies have shown that there has been a steady increase in Pluto's atmospheric pressure over the past two decades, so concomitant sublimation and recondensation of frost has likely occurred, as predicted by volatile transport models." http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014EGUGA..16.4595B
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I am starting to wonder if Charon has some Triton-esque terrain, too. Take a look..

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Not much solid evidence for many well-preserved impact craters, which is interesting.

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Agree. Only evidence for a few really big ones. That may be resolution or the smaller ones have been covered over or changed by resurfacing events.
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Charon does look like a Uranian moon from this resolution. We already know it's similar in size and density as well. It would be wonderful if closeup images of Charon tell us more about them.
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Just looked at the latest Charon image again and that "crater" at 6-7 O'Clock appears to me to have a plume of darker material in the direction of the limb and a generous observer might say a smoke trail similar to a volcano can be seen. Impact crater or Caldera, the old question when looking at lower resolution images, even higher ones from Ceres are not conclusive. While in such an extravagantly, unfounded, speculative vein, the vast long Chasm running from 4 to 6 O'Clock, a rift valley? Are there, or were there, continents of Water Ice moving on a mantle of slush made up of super volatiles. At this point Charon is turning out to be a real conundrum. Pluto seems to fit the favoured theoretical models quite nicely, nobody seems to have a good handle on what's going on at Charon.
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I think Charon's going to be the biggest surprise from this flyby. I may be wrong, but perhaps we're looking at an icy version of Io here.


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QUOTE (Ian R @ Jul 13 2015, 09:52 PM) *
I think Charon's going to be the biggest surprise from this flyby. I may be wrong, but perhaps we're looking at an icy version of Io here.


It may not be now, but before the two bodies became tidally locked, that is plausible I suppose. That might mean that what look like impact craters on Pluto might be ancient Calderas. especially the big circular features we saw on the Charon facing face a couple of days ago.

EDIT: It might also explain why Charon is so uniformly "coloured" and the darkness of the polar cap.
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Charon looks somewhat similar to Uranus' moons, at least at this resolution. The chasm seems comparable to features seen on Ariel and Titania.

QUOTE (Sherbert @ Jul 13 2015, 08:48 PM) *
Just looked at the latest Charon image again and that "crater" at 6-7 O'Clock appears to me to have a plume of darker material in the direction of the limb

I can't see anything plume-like anywhere.

Meanwhile, on Pluto in the latest image (the one obtained at a distance of 2.5 million km), some of the terrain in the lower half of the image and left of center (at approximately 7 o'clock where there are alternating patches of bright and darker terrain) is starting to remind me a bit of the weird looking terrain seen in hi-res images of Mars' polar regions ("Swiss cheese features") where sublimation is a significant process. The only problem is that the Martian features aren't big and wouldn't even be close to visibility at the resolution of the most recent NH Pluto image.
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Its amazing what you can do when if you write scripts (and get out of work early!)
Here are the 2nd set of images from July 11, 2015

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Here is yet another version of my map of Pluto, this time incorporating the recently released image that was obtained at a range of 2.5 million km (the one that can be found here at the NH website). Apparently it was obtained on 2015-07-12 at 08:46. As usual, longitude 0 is at the left edge of the map.

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The map now has much better coverage of parts of the terrain that will be imaged at high resolution tomorrow, including the northeast half of the bright region near the center of the map.


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Thanks for that map. The bright terrains near the equator definitely look like the patchy ice cap margins we saw at Triton.


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