A Gravitational Tractor For Towing Planetoids, Saving both Earth and Space Rocks |
A Gravitational Tractor For Towing Planetoids, Saving both Earth and Space Rocks |
Sep 21 2005, 03:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
astro-ph/0509595 [abs, pdf] :
Title: A Gravitational Tractor for Towing Asteroids Authors: Edward T. Lu, Stanley G. Love Categories: astro-ph Comments: 4 pages, 1 figure - to be published in Nature We present a concept for a spacecraft that can controllably alter the trajectory of an Earth threatening asteroid using gravity as a towline. The spacecraft hovers near the asteroid with thrusters angled outward so the exhaust does not impinge on the surface. This deflection method is insensitive to the structure, surface properties, and rotation state of the asteroid. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0509595 -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Sep 21 2005, 04:40 PM
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Dublin Correspondent Group: Admin Posts: 1799 Joined: 28-March 05 From: Celbridge, Ireland Member No.: 220 |
QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 21 2005, 04:25 PM) Neat. I'd like to double check the numbers but the idea neatly resolves a whole host of problems with the other ideas that have been put forward. There are some other issues - the 20 year mission time would need some work, as would the nuclear ion drive but both are definitely possible now. Scaling it up for a >500m diameter monster heading directly for us that's discovered only a few years out is a bit of a problem but it's still neat. |
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Sep 21 2005, 05:00 PM
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This was proposed about a year ago by one of the astronauts -- can't remember which one. It does look as though it might actually work.
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Sep 21 2005, 06:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2488 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Glasgow, Scotland, UK Member No.: 239 |
Sadly, I get blocked from viewing the file - anyone care to repost, or to point me somewhere else?
Thanks! Bob shaw -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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Sep 22 2005, 05:40 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
Bob, here the PDF version I downloaded from ArXiv...
The proposed method is simple but seems a little bit inefficient to me... in the example they give, it needs a 10 ton spaceship hoovering 50m above a 200m asteroid for 20 years using a nuclear ion drive! This is a relatively heavy spacecraft and wide deviation angle of thrust reduce it's efficiency... I have impression that a smaller probe anchored to surface and using in-situ material (heating it or escavating and accelerating material) would be more efficient, even if a little bit more complicated to make...
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Sep 22 2005, 09:40 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2488 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Glasgow, Scotland, UK Member No.: 239 |
QUOTE (dilo @ Sep 22 2005, 06:40 AM) Bob, here the PDF version I downloaded from ArXiv... The proposed method is simple but seems a little bit inefficient to me... in the example they give, it needs a 10 ton spaceship hoovering 50m above a 200m asteroid for 20 years using a nuclear ion drive! This is a relatively heavy spacecraft and wide deviation angle of thrust reduce it's efficiency... I have impression that a smaller probe anchored to surface and using in-situ material (heating it or escavating and accelerating material) would be more efficient, even if a little bit more complicated to make... Dilo and Rodolfo: Thanks for the file (Rodolfo e-mailed it to me, Dilo posted it). I have to say that it seems like a perfect way to move asteroids, so long as you catch the blighters early. It's *not* a resource-harvesting technology, for which you would need much more push, but is instead a gentle nudge designed to perturb dangerous visitors away from us at low-cost and with few gotchas. As you may gather, I like it! It'd also be applicable to Martian terraforming via impacts - you could deliver a fair amount of dust onto the poles to start climate change, etc, or even use an asteroid to punch through the surface of Europa prior to some serious oceanic exploration, or a *real* Deep Impact on a comet, or... In short, anywhere that a decent-sized bang over a timescale of say ~100 years would be a Good Thing. Just don't use squid as pilots! Bob Shaw -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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Sep 22 2005, 05:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 688 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Sweden Member No.: 273 |
QUOTE (dilo @ Sep 22 2005, 07:40 AM) This is a relatively heavy spacecraft and wide deviation angle of thrust reduce it's efficiency... I have impression that a smaller probe anchored to surface and using in-situ material (heating it or escavating and accelerating material) would be more efficient, even if a little bit more complicated to make... On the other hand a landed probe could only thrust intermittently unless it was sited at or near a rotation pole and the asteroid is to be moved more or less along its axis of rotation. Also many asteroids are probably zero-strength rubble piles. Trying to move such by a landed probe might only turn one big crater into a crater chain, which may not be an improvement. This is a very clever technique and the only drawback I can see is that it is slow. When warning time is short I think the old idea of using multiple nuclear charges to push the impactor aside may still be the best idea since the thrust would be fairly evenly spread and using directed-energy charges it would also be almost all in one direction. tty |
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Sep 22 2005, 08:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
Is there any real Earth's survival against asteroides/meteors proposal that is to implemented at the present time? I haven't heard any of this from NASA, JAXA, ESA. It is time to prepare and later would to late and will cost us a much higher price than a longer term investment.
I think it is of first priority for the preservation of Earth's life. Let us experiment with a safe asteroide different than ones of Apophis 2004 MN4 to see the results so that we can feel more confident for next similar mission. About tugging or pushing, the first is simpler and elegant but slower since the spacecraft cannot push harder than the gravitational atraction force. The second is more complex but it has greater throughput and more dangerous of losing the trajectory control. These terms are elaborated according to the intuition and not by the math calculations. I think that every nations must contribute resources and money to concrete this project since it is a Earth's survival project. Rodolfo |
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Sep 22 2005, 11:20 PM
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A lot of intermixing of English and Metric units in that report. Didn't that get us
in trouble once already? If we are going to try and move an asteroid around, let's make sure we get it right. |
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Sep 26 2005, 11:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
At least there is a project for deflection of an asteroide from ESA:
September 26 Two Asteroid Targets Chosen for Deflection Test The European Space Agency (ESA) has selected two asteroids as potential targets for a mission aimed at deflecting a nearby space rock. After a comprehensive review, the space agency selected the near-Earth objects 2002 AT4 and 1989 ML as primary targets for its upcoming Don Quijote mission. The mission will send two spacecraft, dubbed Hidalgo and Sancho, to an asteroid in hopes of slightly deflecting the space rock’s path. The Don Quijote mission will visit only one of the two asteroid targets – a final decision will be made in 2007 – and calls for the Hidalgo craft to slam into the space rock at a high speed while Sancho records the event, ESA officials said. The Sancho probe is slated to arrive at the asteroid earlier than Hidalgo to observe the object before and after the impact, they added. Don Quijote’s mission is designed to demonstrate the feasibility of changing an asteroid’s orbit – however slightly – using conventional spacecraft technology. Two teams are expected to flesh out plans for the mission’s spacecraft pair, with a final design selection to made in 2007 along with the target space rock, ESA officials said. -- SPACE.com Staff. More information, http://www.esa.int/gsp/completed/neo/donquijote.html Rodolfo |
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Nov 10 2005, 02:40 PM
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'Gravity tractor' to deflect Earth-bound asteroids
NewScientist.com News Service Nov. 9, 2005 NASA scientists have come up with a surprisingly simple yet effective way to deflect an Earth-bound asteroid: park a large spacecraft close by and let gravity do the work, creating an invisible towline to tug the rock off its deadly course. The strategy crucially relies on our ability to detect an asteroid threat about 20 years in advance. For... http://www.kurzweilai.net/email/newsRedire...sID=5014&m=7610 -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Nov 17 2005, 02:17 PM
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DEFLECTING INCOMING ASTEROIDS (Science Show: 12/11/2005)
There is a long tradition in film and literature of an asteroid being diverted at the last moment from its collision course with Earth by the miracles of space technology. Back in the real world, a study by Britian's Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council will look at some realistic ways to avoid catastrophic collisions. Dr Ed Lew from the Johnson Space Centre says that, with a couple of decades notice gravity could be used to deflect an incoming asteroid. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ss/stories/s1502451.htm -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Nov 17 2005, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 17 2005, 05:17 PM) ...Back in the real world, a study by Britian's Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council will look at some realistic ways to avoid catastrophic collisions. Dr Ed Lew from the Johnson Space Centre says that, with a couple of decades notice gravity could be used to deflect an incoming asteroid. I think that this is one of those "NEVER TO BE" projects... Besides there is much better way to deflect incoming asteroid... The right way is this: You don't have to destroy it JUST MOVE IT... -------------------- The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful.
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Nov 17 2005, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE (Toma B @ Nov 17 2005, 10:29 AM) I think that this is one of those "NEVER TO BE" projects... Besides there is much better way to deflect incoming asteroid... The right way is this: You don't have to destroy it JUST MOVE IT... I thought among the big arguments *against* nuclear weapons use on a threatening NEO was that if the NEO was too big, a nuclear explosion would not budge it. Also, if the NEO is essentially a big rubble pile barely held together by gravity (which is what Itokawa sure looks like), then a detonation might only shatter the space rock and just spread the debris over more places on Earth. My favored scenario is attaching a rocket or two or more on the NEO and having the continual thrust from their engines eventually push the rock into a non-threatening orbit. Not destroying the NEO also saves it for future study and space resource use. -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Nov 17 2005, 05:15 PM
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Don't dismiss the value of breaking up a large impactor.
Each year, the Earth is hit by tons and tons of asteroid and cometary material, enough that, if it were to hit all at once, it would cause an impact big enough to wipe out most life on the planet. But it hits in very tiny fragments that burn up before they reach the ground. If you could blast a relatively small asteroid, like Itokawa, into billions of grains of sand, its impact would not be noticed. Of course, you couldn't reduce the whole thing to such small particles, larger pieces would remain and would make it through to impact -- but they would be a *lot* smaller than the original impactor, and each would have a lot less effect on the ecosystem. The whole point is to increase the asteroid's surface area. The more of the mass that's subject to ablation, the more of the mass that will simply burn up in the upper atmosphere and filter slowly down to the surface over the following months. And since we already receive thousands of tons of such material every year, that's not really a threat. The remaining several thousand pieces large enough to make it to the ground might cause a lot of local destruction, but (if they were all kept small enough) would be no worse in overall effect than if a few hundred square km were heavily carpet-bombed. All in all, I'd rather have a few thousand 100-meter craters and the ensuing, potentially manageable destruction casued by them, than have a single 200-km cratering event whose blast effects would wipe out most life on Earth... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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