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Many spots of clouds on Mars, Mars at Ls 66 degrees (June 2006)
RNeuhaus
post Jun 8 2006, 02:57 AM
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Most martian visibles clouds only hovers at high altitude. These are found around Olympus, Tharsis mountains, Alba Patera, above the Margaritifer Terra, Meridian Planum and most of South polar region: Planum Australe.

http://www.marstoday.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=20843

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MarsIsImportant
post Jan 18 2008, 02:50 AM
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Quoted directly from the second paragraph of the ESA article:

"Mars is not entirely a haven for Sun worshippers. Clouds of water ice particles do occur, for example on the flanks of the giant Martian volcanoes. "

This is before they get into the details of the story.

I hate to be put in the position of defending them, but the critics here are going too far. The ESA does acknowledge previous evidence of clouds. They have acknowledged other people's work related to the subject. What they have pointing out is that these particular clouds were found near the equator in an area where clouds of this type should not be expected. I think people have misinterpreted it as if they stated it was a unique discovery on Mars as a whole. My quote clearly shows that they did not say that.

Yet, They did not go out of their way to give specific references. When something is generally considered to be the norm in a particular field of study, specific references are generally not needed. Everybody knows that clouds have been seen on Mars many times before. That is kind of the point of not making the specific references. Perhaps they should have been more clear.

I didn't interpret the article as apparently many others did. Perhaps it did gloss over a few important points. But it certainly did not ignore them as some indicate.
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post Jan 18 2008, 03:00 AM
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In reality, the criticism is not at all over the top. Equatorial clouds on Mars, but have been routinely known and photographed from the ground since the early twentieth century. For example there are images depicting them in E. C. Slipher's Photographic Survey of the Brighter Planets. Carbon Dioxide clouds, not just water ice clouds, and certainly not just topography related clouds, have been studied extensively by previous spacecraft.


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- RNeuhaus   Many spots of clouds on Mars   Jun 8 2006, 02:57 AM
- - climber   More about clouds, shadows and clouds composition ...   Jan 17 2008, 01:40 PM
- - djellison   This all seems like ESA 'discovering' some...   Jan 17 2008, 02:01 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 17 2008, 02:01 PM)...   Jan 17 2008, 02:31 PM
- - djellison   "Until now, Mars has generally been regarded ...   Jan 17 2008, 02:44 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 17 2008, 02:44 PM)...   Jan 17 2008, 03:12 PM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (ustrax @ Jan 17 2008, 03:12 PM) Oh...   Jan 17 2008, 03:47 PM
||- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 17 2008, 10:47 AM) ...   Jan 17 2008, 04:07 PM
||- - ustrax   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 17 2008, 03:47 PM) ...   Jan 17 2008, 05:22 PM
||- - tedstryk   I never suggested an evil ESA conspiracy, nor do I...   Jan 17 2008, 05:41 PM
||- - djellison   That's about the full story there Ted. It...   Jan 17 2008, 06:26 PM
||- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 17 2008, 10:26 AM)...   Jan 18 2008, 12:30 AM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 AM) Jus...   Jan 18 2008, 02:00 AM
|- - tedstryk   Very true. Martian clouds, both ordinary and dust...   Jan 17 2008, 03:12 PM
- - ngunn   Careful folks! You might put them off making a...   Jan 17 2008, 04:13 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Although the clouds are not new, the Shadows caste...   Jan 17 2008, 04:44 PM
- - peter59   "Until now, Mars has generally been regarded ...   Jan 17 2008, 08:04 PM
- - ngunn   Somebody got their facts wrong, no doubt about tha...   Jan 17 2008, 08:43 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Quoted directly from the second paragraph of the E...   Jan 18 2008, 02:50 AM
|- - tedstryk   In reality, the criticism is not at all over the t...   Jan 18 2008, 03:00 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Yes, but the point of the article was that before ...   Jan 18 2008, 03:12 AM
|- - tedstryk   I understand what they are trying to say. But the...   Jan 18 2008, 03:30 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   I think this brings us full circle back to the ESA...   Jan 18 2008, 04:00 AM
- - n1ckdrake   The criticism over this ESA news release is entire...   Jan 18 2008, 06:33 AM
- - edstrick   “This is the first time that carbon dioxide ice cl...   Jan 18 2008, 08:09 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   The article is simply not well written. Because o...   Jan 18 2008, 09:51 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jan 18 2008, 09...   Jan 18 2008, 10:48 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   I agree. The article seems to contradict itself i...   Jan 18 2008, 10:54 AM
- - Doc   This article seems to have been written by a serio...   Jan 18 2008, 11:03 AM
|- - tedstryk   The thing that really concerns me is the quoted ma...   Jan 18 2008, 12:12 PM
- - Aussie   Hey, lets be fair guys. We have seen lots of jour...   Jan 19 2008, 09:22 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Aussie @ Jan 19 2008, 04:22 PM) Be...   Jan 20 2008, 06:46 AM
- - Aussie   Yeah I am probably out of date. But the last art...   Jan 20 2008, 10:03 AM
- - peter59   Abstract (1998). CO2 ice clouds in the upper atmo...   Jan 20 2008, 11:13 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   "...Pathfinder lander 35-100 minutes prior to...   Jan 20 2008, 03:15 PM
- - tedstryk   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jan 20 2008, 03...   Jan 21 2008, 01:08 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 20 2008, 05:08 PM) ...   Jan 21 2008, 01:58 AM


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