Mariner Mars 1964, Mariners 3 and 4 to Mars: imaging plans? |
Mariner Mars 1964, Mariners 3 and 4 to Mars: imaging plans? |
 Apr 28 2005, 05:05 PM
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Solar System Cartographer  Group: Members Posts: 10256 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227  |
I am currently working on a book about lunar exploration, but looking ahead to the next one, which will cover Mars. One question to which I think I have an answer - but I'd like to see what my fellow Mars enthusiasts think - is this:
Mariner 3 failed to leave Earth. But if it had flown successfully, what area on Mars would it have photographed? My understanding is that there was no specific plan. The MM64 press kit, for instance, says nothing about image coverage for either Mariner 3 or Mariner 4. I believe that navigation to planetary distances was still so uncertain that the flight team could not predict at launch the sub-spacecraft point at closest approach - uncertainties included the exact time of the flyby, the distance and the point at which the spacecraft would pass through the target plane. These things would be known closer to the flyby but they weren't precisely predictable at launch, so Mariner 3 never got to the stage of having an imaging plan. Am I right? Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Jan 18 2008, 08:44 PM
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For those who were born after 1970, you have to realize what an incredible undertaking that Mariner IV was. I remember very vidily the grainy pictures appearing in the local paper, and it was just WOW! Craters on another world, that didn't look that different, perhaps, than the Moon.
In the middle 1960s CBS had a program named "Spectrum" every Sunday night (I think at 7 PM) hosted by Walter Cronkite. The program on Mariner IV was incredible (and we watched it on our black and white RCA TV). The program (was it 30 minutes long?) covered the mission, spacecraft and the findings. The info about the transmission power from Mars to Earth was 8 1/3 watts just blew my mind away. The Mariner IV mission had a huge influence on me, and the whole Space Race led to me becoming an engineer. Those 22 grainy smeary pictures changed more lives than my own... Rob |
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Jan 20 2008, 04:50 AM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gl_iRDdIUc
Part one of a short film on Mariner 4. Link to part two should appear somewhere on the page. |
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Phil Stooke Mariner Mars 1964 Apr 28 2005, 05:05 PM
BruceMoomaw Well, actually it DID leave Earth -- it just left ... Apr 28 2005, 10:52 PM
Bob Shaw Bruce:
"Tell us about it, Janet!"
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gndonald QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 29 2005, 08:05 PM)Bruce... Aug 9 2005, 02:04 PM The Messenger In 1964, the question of whether there were 'c... Aug 11 2005, 10:22 PM tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 28 2005, 04:52 PM)Co... Nov 29 2005, 03:32 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 28 2005, 03:52 P... May 31 2006, 03:48 AM JRehling QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 28 2005, 10:05 AM)I ... Apr 28 2005, 11:13 PM Phil Stooke Thanks for these comments. And Bruce, I was inadv... Apr 29 2005, 12:31 AM edstrick Mariner 4 had a scan platform, and one option they... Apr 29 2005, 09:35 AM peter59 QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 29 2005, 09:35 AM)Marin... Apr 29 2005, 07:22 PM BruceMoomaw Yep. In fact, they decided some months before the... Apr 29 2005, 11:48 PM edstrick Bruce.. that matches what I recall without digging... Apr 30 2005, 08:36 AM BruceMoomaw Yep, that's all correct. (Don't ask me ho... Apr 30 2005, 01:35 PM tedstryk A planet sensor might be more trouble than it is w... Apr 30 2005, 02:27 PM Tom Tamlyn In Bruce Murray's book "Journey into Spac... Oct 29 2005, 02:22 AM mcaplinger QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Oct 28 2005, 06:22 PM)In ... Nov 29 2005, 05:40 AM Phil Stooke Ted - thanks for this... I'm not doubting you,... Apr 30 2005, 03:52 PM tedstryk I've got some documentation of this somewhere ... Apr 30 2005, 06:17 PM edstrick Mariner 69 and it's mission was designed aroun... May 1 2005, 07:59 AM edstrick Ted... I'd assume a planet sensor would only b... May 1 2005, 08:01 AM PhilCo126 Phil Stooke ... when will You start the work on th... Oct 27 2005, 04:49 PM Phil Stooke I'm in the editing phase on the Moon book. Ne... Oct 27 2005, 04:50 PM PhilCo126 Great Phil ... don't hesitate to contact me wh... Oct 27 2005, 05:18 PM PhilCo126 Phil ... with ' information ' I meant in f... Nov 28 2005, 05:54 PM BruceMoomaw Fawning won't be necessary. It was indeed the... Nov 29 2005, 05:56 AM BruceMoomaw You can find a brief Web reference to it: a chapte... Nov 29 2005, 06:05 AM tasp QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 29 2005, 12:05 AM)Yo... Nov 29 2005, 06:19 AM edstrick Random note: The UV photometer that flew on Marin... Nov 29 2005, 07:59 AM BruceMoomaw Try the combination of "Venus" and ... Nov 29 2005, 08:00 AM BruceMoomaw Yeah, I've got the full dibs on the process by... Nov 29 2005, 08:07 AM BruceMoomaw While we're on the subject of lost opportuniti... Nov 29 2005, 08:19 AM edstrick Bruce Moomaw: ".... But they did come fairly... Nov 29 2005, 08:33 AM BruceMoomaw They certainly came breathtakingly close before th... Nov 29 2005, 09:08 AM edstrick I'd have to dig in my "stacks" to fi... Nov 29 2005, 10:31 AM ljk4-1 Any truth that Mariner 4's flight path was aim... Mar 15 2006, 03:21 PM Phil Stooke Not really. Any long strip of images like that wo... Mar 15 2006, 04:24 PM BruceMoomaw At that time they had very little confidence in th... Mar 15 2006, 10:38 PM edstrick For the canal freaks, the flyby trajectory and vie... Mar 16 2006, 07:53 AM Bob Shaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 16 2006, 07:53 AM) ... Mar 16 2006, 04:25 PM BruceMoomaw Oh, yes. I well remember the shock when the dust ... Mar 16 2006, 10:41 PM Bob Shaw QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 16 2006, 10:41 P... Mar 17 2006, 11:28 PM Michael Capobianco QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Mar 17 2006, 06:28 PM) ... Mar 17 2006, 11:45 PM PhilCo126 Talking about Mariner IX... Phil (Stooke) I've... Mar 17 2006, 06:13 PM BruceMoomaw It was for me, too. Although I was already intere... Mar 18 2006, 12:19 AM Michael Capobianco QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Mar 17 2006, 07:19 P... Mar 18 2006, 01:09 AM ljk4-1 'Now that we have a map, let's start colon... Mar 20 2006, 04:16 PM BruceMoomaw The scheme was more complex than that. It did inv... May 31 2006, 06:18 AM DonPMitchell QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ May 30 2006, 11:18 P... May 31 2006, 06:33 AM PhilHorzempa I have been intrigued by the notion of comparing d... Jun 9 2006, 04:57 AM ljk4-1 Here are images of the famous Mariner Crater (Numb... Jun 10 2006, 05:48 PM Bob Shaw The odd thing about that famous Mariner IV crater ... Jun 10 2006, 08:52 PM tedstryk It also photographed half of Orcas (Orcus?) Patera... Jun 10 2006, 09:04 PM Phil Stooke Another Phil asked:
"Does anyone have acces... Jun 11 2006, 12:15 AM Bob Shaw Phil:
It'd have been quite a good idea to ove... Jun 11 2006, 12:47 AM ljk4-1 QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 10 2006, 08:15 P... Jun 11 2006, 02:47 PM edstrick In Mariner 4's image #11 (THE crater), a fault... Jun 11 2006, 09:45 AM Phil Stooke Bob, the Mariner 6 and 7 strips did intersect, in ... Jun 11 2006, 11:53 AM Bob Shaw QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 11 2006, 12:53 P... Jun 11 2006, 01:18 PM edstrick Note that despite the overwhelming impression of h... Jun 12 2006, 07:48 AM Bob Shaw QUOTE (edstrick @ Jun 12 2006, 08:48 AM) ... Jun 12 2006, 10:21 AM tedstryk I think a lot of the reason was that the Tharsis a... Jun 12 2006, 11:52 AM BruceMoomaw There was certainly little mention of this at the ... Jun 12 2006, 08:54 AM ljk4-1 The famous August, 1970 issue of National Geograph... Jun 12 2006, 12:18 PM Phil Stooke Bruce said "There was certainly little mentio... Jun 12 2006, 03:26 PM peter59 Little bit of history.
Mariner IV - voyage through... Oct 22 2007, 03:57 PM peter59 Little bit of history.
Mariner IV - significant pr... Nov 6 2007, 09:34 PM peter59 Mariner 4's picture #1 is about 350 km paralle... Nov 8 2007, 04:20 PM peter59 Van Allen belts detected by Mariner 4's Ion Ch... Nov 9 2007, 10:47 PM peter59 QUOTE (robspace54 @ Jan 18 2008, 09:44 PM... Jan 18 2008, 09:01 PM Paolo wow! I really like those context images! Jan 19 2008, 01:22 PM dvandorn Yes -- I never realized before that one of the Mar... Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM peter59 Today is the 43 anniversary of the first Mars flyb... Jul 14 2008, 08:20 AM Alan Stern QUOTE (peter59 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:20 AM) T... Jul 14 2008, 05:13 PM nprev Alan, please forgive me, but I really do have to a... Jul 15 2008, 03:32 AM Alan Stern QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 15 2008, 03:32 AM) Ala... Jul 15 2008, 09:07 AM volcanopele Could be just as much of as coincidence as January... Jul 15 2008, 03:36 AM mchan The NH Pluto / Mariner 4 Mars flyby connection was... Jul 15 2008, 08:31 AM edstrick Viking 1 was sort of trying to land on July 4, 197... Jul 15 2008, 11:21 AM tedstryk I have put together a little commemorative compila... Jul 15 2008, 07:32 PM Ron Hobbs I would like to note that today is the 45th annive... Jul 14 2010, 11:30 PM peter59
I'm looking for Mariner IV televison data tab... Dec 17 2010, 05:38 PM ZLD May be available from the NSSDC if you contact the... Dec 17 2010, 09:59 PM Phil Stooke There was a long discussion of this deeper back in... Dec 17 2010, 11:15 PM tedstryk I have tried multiple places (including the NSSDC)... Dec 17 2010, 11:47 PM djellison I think this - http://mm04.nasaimages.org/MediaMan... Dec 17 2010, 11:54 PM ZLD That's pretty neat. So they took all the matr... Dec 18 2010, 12:20 AM djellison They bracketed the values into big ranges - and ea... Dec 18 2010, 12:29 AM Phil Stooke That was in the good old days when people used to ... Dec 18 2010, 02:31 PM peter59 I just found an old article in LIFE MAGAZINE (23 J... Dec 24 2010, 09:47 AM peter59 It was not very difficult.
Numerical data, lines ... Dec 24 2010, 02:27 PM Paolo nice find Peter! Dec 24 2010, 04:20 PM lyford Wow, nice work! That is a holiday treat! Dec 24 2010, 05:27 PM 4th rock from the sun Well, the numbers are at mostly visible on this hi... Apr 18 2011, 08:55 PM SteveM The task would not be straightforward since the nu... Apr 18 2011, 10:56 PM peter59 QUOTE (SteveM @ Apr 18 2011, 10:56 PM) Th... Apr 19 2011, 06:37 AM djellison It's in the hall of the Education and Comms of... Apr 18 2011, 11:34 PM Bjorn Jonsson Wow!! This is a major improvement in quali... Apr 19 2011, 01:26 PM |
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