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Stu
post Feb 17 2008, 04:20 PM
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"MSL Heat Shield Woes" - Aviation Week

Anyone else see this?


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Mariner9
post Feb 21 2008, 07:57 AM
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NASA budgets are a matter of public record. That is indeed true. But making that statement is hardly what I would call a cost analysis.

Going back to Alan Stern stating that there had been three separate cost overruns on the MSL project, was he lying when he said it? Perhaps you could provide us with a year by year breakdown of the budget and show us all that Mr. Stern was completely mistaken.

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post Feb 21 2008, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:57 PM) *
NASA budgets are a matter of public record. That is indeed true. But making that statement is hardly what I would call a cost analysis.

No, but since I'm kinda busy building instruments for MSL, I assumed you might take the time to look at them yourself.

Rather than debate this, though, I suggest you read pages Sci-153 through Sci-158 in the in the FY09 budget. On page Sci-156, we see that the current total development cost estimate for MSL is $1.035B, increased by $66.4M from the base year (2007) estimate. The total cost of $1.66B shown on Sci-153 includes formulation and operations costs. One would have to look at previous year budgets to assess how much this has increased, but I find it hard to believe that the mission ever cost the claimed $800M in an apples-to-apples comparison; budgets are all online at http://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/index.html


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