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MSL "Heat shield woes"
Stu
post Feb 17 2008, 04:20 PM
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"MSL Heat Shield Woes" - Aviation Week

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Steve G
post Feb 24 2008, 09:48 PM
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NASA is always reinventing the wheel. Every spacecraft for Mars is a new and expensive design. MSL has a brand new landing concept, and that's just the beginning. Would it not be prudent for NASA to say, okay, here is the design we'll be using for the next decade. So rather than moving towards a sample return mission, (more billions) just build four of five addional MSL's over the next fifteen years and make it the cornerstone of your Mars exploration strategy? I don't expect assembly line econiomics, but certainly the cost of the sixth spacecraft will be a lot less than the first. We have also learned from the MERs that Solar Panels are feasible for long duration missions, simply have a cleaning and better pointing mechanisms for them and you won't have to worry about pluotonium production shortfalls and save them for outter planet missions.
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post Feb 24 2008, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Steve G @ Feb 24 2008, 09:48 PM) *
Every spacecraft for Mars is a new and expensive design.


MER was Pathfinder heritage. Odyssey was MCO heritage. Phoenix is MPL heritage. I can see the point you're trying to make, but it's not entirely true. The one major problem - we can barely afford one MSL. Where is the money to build several more? There isn't any. More often than not, you want to fly a specific payload, and that specific payload has specific accommodation requirements and landing site challenges and thus requires a unique solution. I'm sure, if successful, the MSl decent profile will be re-flown several times in the future, but there isn't the money to fly many MSL sized vehicles, nor are there many interesting places where you could safely send MER clones.

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post Feb 25 2008, 01:27 AM
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NASA doesn't want to waste a lot of $$ in new R&D, so even if a design is technically 'new', it's not a complete reinvention of the wheel.
Innocent opinion: MSL looks like a big MER; they didn't start entirely from scratch. Also, some new landing methods are the result of investments in R&D from years past. Why not enjoy the fruits of that labor?

That said, I really wish we could make several copies of successful rovers and spacecraft. It would be great to have several Cassini's and several MER's/MSL's. Maybe they find gold on Mars and Titan, and private investors will pony up! cool.gif
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- Stu   MSL "Heat shield woes"   Feb 17 2008, 04:20 PM
- - centsworth_II   From the article: "The relative orbital posit...   Feb 17 2008, 04:31 PM
- - djellison   Do that, and you don't reach Mars at all. Th...   Feb 17 2008, 05:39 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 17 2008, 12:39 PM)...   Feb 18 2008, 01:43 PM
- - centsworth_II   I bet Dawn wouldn't have any trouble.   Feb 17 2008, 06:13 PM
- - nprev   Not to be cynical, but 'pray for launch delay...   Feb 18 2008, 06:59 AM
- - mchan   The delay for MSL would be 2 years and very costly...   Feb 18 2008, 08:01 AM
|- - AndyG   Is the article correct? QUOTE NASA had planned to...   Feb 18 2008, 11:24 AM
- - djellison   Yeah...I meant every word of that...all of it. Ea...   Feb 18 2008, 02:22 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   Ouch $115...but you can get a used one on Ama...   Feb 18 2008, 04:36 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Feb 18 2008, 11:36 A...   Feb 20 2008, 09:45 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Part of what I love about orbital mechanics proble...   Feb 18 2008, 05:00 PM
- - edstrick   Mariners 6 and 7 <1969> had unusually short ...   Feb 19 2008, 08:38 AM
- - Sunspot   Is MSL really going to be ready to launch on time?   Feb 19 2008, 09:58 PM
- - djellison   To be honest, compared to the trouble MER had, MSL...   Feb 19 2008, 10:03 PM
- - elakdawalla   Alan just said at MEPAG that, just three months af...   Feb 20 2008, 05:07 PM
- - djellison   Oh dear. That's really very very bad news ind...   Feb 20 2008, 05:40 PM
- - centsworth_II   Wouldn't it be ironic if MSL doesn't fly a...   Feb 20 2008, 06:10 PM
|- - ugordan   Ironic, indeed. I don't think Alan will like t...   Feb 20 2008, 06:13 PM
- - djellison   I really really really want to see MSL fly, but it...   Feb 20 2008, 06:24 PM
- - elakdawalla   Alan went on to say "The ramifications are go...   Feb 20 2008, 06:25 PM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 06:25 P...   Feb 20 2008, 07:15 PM
- - vjkane   Emily - Are you at the MPEG meeting?   Feb 20 2008, 07:17 PM
- - elakdawalla   No. They're trying out allowing people to par...   Feb 20 2008, 07:35 PM
- - Mariner9   I hate to be an armchair quarterback, so I'm n...   Feb 20 2008, 07:36 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:36 AM) ...   Feb 21 2008, 12:54 AM
- - elakdawalla   One of the things that makes me a bit worried is t...   Feb 20 2008, 07:53 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 08:53 P...   Feb 20 2008, 07:56 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 02:53 P...   Feb 20 2008, 10:54 PM
- - elakdawalla   I have no data with which to back this up, but my ...   Feb 20 2008, 07:59 PM
- - djellison   One thing that I think Jim Bell was pushing for wi...   Feb 20 2008, 10:44 PM
- - djellison   Chang'e 1, Chandrayaan - 1, Kaguya, LRO. That...   Feb 20 2008, 11:17 PM
- - Jim from NSF.com   point taken   Feb 20 2008, 11:35 PM
- - Mariner9   The 800 million figure was rather informal. I was...   Feb 21 2008, 02:23 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 06:23 PM) ...   Feb 21 2008, 06:04 AM
|- - Mariner9   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 20 2008, 10:04 PM...   Feb 21 2008, 06:54 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 10:54 PM) ...   Feb 21 2008, 07:16 AM
- - mchan   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 11:53 A...   Feb 21 2008, 06:30 AM
- - Mariner9   NASA budgets are a matter of public record. That...   Feb 21 2008, 07:57 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:57 PM) ...   Feb 21 2008, 06:42 PM
- - stevesliva   Wasn't there surprise that the Mars budget was...   Feb 21 2008, 03:26 PM
- - Mariner9   More power to you for unraveling those budget docu...   Feb 21 2008, 07:42 PM
- - elakdawalla   Boys, boys, can we please take it down a notch? Y...   Feb 21 2008, 08:02 PM
- - Mariner9   Sorry, I almost posted a retraction (or a partial...   Feb 21 2008, 08:29 PM
- - vjkane   Emily, did Stern have anything to say on why the M...   Feb 21 2008, 08:37 PM
- - hendric   I can see it, but I'm not sure I can make anyt...   Feb 21 2008, 09:20 PM
- - Steve G   NASA is always reinventing the wheel. Every space...   Feb 24 2008, 09:48 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Steve G @ Feb 24 2008, 09:48 PM) E...   Feb 24 2008, 10:55 PM
|- - brellis   NASA doesn't want to waste a lot of $...   Feb 25 2008, 01:27 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (brellis @ Feb 25 2008, 01:27 AM) T...   Feb 25 2008, 04:02 AM
|- - brellis   Right, I forgot about Mariner Mark II. If only NA...   Feb 25 2008, 04:33 AM
- - edstrick   "...Cassini was originally supposed to be the...   Feb 25 2008, 06:07 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (edstrick @ Feb 24 2008, 10:07 PM) ...   Feb 25 2008, 07:20 PM
|- - tedstryk   There was also the problem of NASA's budget no...   Feb 25 2008, 08:31 PM
- - vjkane   The pre-MRO Mars orbiters, as I understand it, sha...   Feb 25 2008, 03:08 PM
- - nprev   This is the third or fourth time I've seen mas...   Feb 25 2008, 06:24 PM
- - Mariner9   One example of design inheritance working well wa...   Feb 25 2008, 10:56 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   >Venus Express flew, the cost for that mission ...   Feb 26 2008, 03:15 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Feb 26 2008, 03:15 AM...   Feb 26 2008, 03:36 AM
- - Steve G   Nasa still needs to eventually land another spacec...   Mar 1 2008, 05:39 AM


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