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tedstryk
post Dec 29 2004, 10:36 PM
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On my website sometime back, I added a page on the image fragment sent back by the Mars-3 Lander. I released serveral versions, including the best quality processing using othodox techniques I would use on other images plus colorization here:
http://pages.preferred.com/%7Etedstryk/fragmentc.jpg
However, I released another image, which I called a "What if" image. This image can be seen here http://pages.preferred.com/%7Etedstryk/m3s5b.jpg It was produced via extreme processing of the original data to make a Mars-like scene, but I made it clear on my website it was only a speculative image. I strongly doubt if the raw data even shows Mars at all - it could be all noise. But since this mode of processing looked strangely Viking-like, I figured I would put it on the web. I was warned by several, who said that while fun, some kooks might take it seriously. My response was that I really don't care what kooks think. Then I noticed this web page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_2
They used the overprocessed image. I feel like it is being presented as a true photograph. This is of concern.


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post Jun 6 2008, 05:11 PM
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Dear Tedstryk. I'd be really grateful if you could re-post your images from the start of this thread as the links seem to have expired - I'm totally intrigued !!!
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post Jun 6 2008, 05:46 PM
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It was an image I clearly labeled a "what if" image, using highly speculative techniques, basically just playing around. Brian Harvey asked to use it in his book on Soviet planetary probes, he described it with a fabricated tale of it being found in Soviet archives in Moscow after the Soviet collapse. I will never work with him again. I know other contributors to that book feel the same way for this and many other issues. The first one I would still consider a highly processed image, but the second one really (that Harvey claimed was found in the archives) is more of a drawing than a processed image.

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- tedstryk   Mars 3 (Various Topics Merged)   Dec 29 2004, 10:36 PM
- - lyford   Since it's Wikipedia, can't you just delet...   Dec 29 2004, 11:09 PM
- - tedstryk   Thanks. I will be updating the Phobos-2 section s...   Dec 30 2004, 01:12 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   [size=2] With regard to the Soviet Mars lan...   Apr 18 2006, 10:02 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The Soviets actually do firmly know why Mars 2 fai...   Apr 18 2006, 10:18 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 18 2006, 10:18 P...   Apr 18 2006, 10:41 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 18 2006, 04:18 P...   Apr 19 2006, 03:59 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 19 2006, 08:59...   Apr 19 2006, 04:20 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Apr 19 2006, 10:20 AM...   Apr 19 2006, 05:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 19 2006, 10:56...   Apr 19 2006, 06:20 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Apr 19 2006, 12:20 PM...   Apr 21 2006, 03:53 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 21 2006, 08:53...   Apr 21 2006, 04:28 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Oh, yes, Perminov goes into great detail about the...   Apr 19 2006, 02:49 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   [size=2] This discussion is very relevant to ...   Apr 19 2006, 04:53 PM
- - tasp   Sorry I can't cite a reference for this, but i...   Apr 19 2006, 05:51 PM
- - ljk4-1   Two very relevant documents to this thread online:...   Apr 19 2006, 06:01 PM
- - tasp   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 29 2004, 05:36 PM) ...   Apr 19 2006, 06:06 PM
- - Phil Stooke   tasp said "can any amount of processing put c...   Apr 19 2006, 08:12 PM
- - djellison   My take on it is - it might be a real picture, and...   Apr 19 2006, 08:41 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ Apr 19 2006, 08:41 PM)...   Apr 19 2006, 10:16 PM
|- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Apr 19 2006, 10:16 PM) ...   Apr 20 2006, 01:52 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 20 2006, 01:52 A...   Apr 20 2006, 02:35 AM
- - ljk4-1   As I recall, the famous Mars 3 image was first sho...   Apr 20 2006, 12:22 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, atmospheric conditions would have a lot to d...   Apr 20 2006, 05:05 AM
- - ljk4-1   This company (which I have no involvement with) is...   May 1 2006, 04:01 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 1 2006, 05:01 PM...   May 1 2006, 05:08 PM
|- - tedstryk   I have one, and am quite fond of it   May 1 2006, 08:28 PM
- - vikingmars   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 30 2004, 12:36 AM) ...   May 2 2006, 08:37 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (vikingmars @ May 2 2006, 08:37 AM)...   May 2 2006, 09:32 AM
- - djellison   Might it be a vertically oriented image, but with ...   May 2 2006, 09:59 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (djellison @ May 2 2006, 09:59 AM) ...   May 2 2006, 10:23 AM
|- - 4th rock from the sun   QUOTE (djellison @ May 2 2006, 10:59 AM) ...   May 2 2006, 01:44 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 2 2006, 03...   May 3 2006, 08:57 AM
- - 4th rock from the sun   Just some data, to make things clearer: The Mars ...   May 3 2006, 03:14 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   I thought that we could try to get the record stra...   May 10 2006, 04:42 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I have never heard 'Mars 8' used for that ...   May 10 2006, 04:59 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 10 2006, 12:59 P...   May 10 2006, 05:23 PM
|- - tedstryk   Mars '96 would have been Mars 8 if it hadn...   May 10 2006, 05:29 PM
- - Zvezdichko   36 years ago, on this very same day, 2 December 19...   Dec 2 2007, 11:58 AM
- - Adam   I might be wrong, but wasn't it pretty much de...   Dec 2 2007, 12:12 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Yes. There have been speculations based on this im...   Dec 2 2007, 12:16 PM
- - nprev   A date & an achievement worth noting to be sur...   Dec 2 2007, 01:17 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Yes, only 14 years after Sputnik mankind achieved ...   Dec 2 2007, 10:33 PM
|- - dilo   Perhaps a little bit OT, but not completely... Tod...   Dec 2 2007, 11:14 PM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (dilo @ Dec 3 2007, 12:14 AM) Is in...   Dec 3 2007, 06:13 PM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (peter59 @ Dec 3 2007, 07:13 PM) EX...   Dec 4 2007, 04:28 PM
- - nprev   You're absolutely right, Dilo...we need to kee...   Dec 3 2007, 02:48 AM
- - Shaka   Good, that makes three dreamers at UMSF. How many ...   Dec 3 2007, 05:20 AM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (Shaka @ Dec 3 2007, 05:20 AM) Go...   Dec 4 2007, 04:48 PM
- - PDP8E   another more recent thread (36 years on mars) has ...   Dec 3 2007, 02:56 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 3 2007, 02:56 PM) anot...   Dec 3 2007, 05:22 PM
- - PhilCo126   Wait one minute, a topic on spacecraft lost around...   Dec 4 2007, 06:55 PM
- - PDP8E   MY SPECULATIVE ANALYSIS OF THE SOVIET MARS 3 LANDE...   Dec 12 2007, 06:57 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 12 2007, 07:57 PM) Som...   Dec 16 2007, 09:34 PM
- - Phil Stooke   "Its easy…look in and near northern Ptolemy C...   Dec 12 2007, 07:50 PM
- - djellison   So a 400km x 400km search box. 160,000 sqkm That...   Dec 12 2007, 08:02 PM
- - PDP8E   A brief scan of the web turned up these images of ...   Dec 14 2007, 03:51 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 14 2007, 04:51 PM) A b...   Dec 15 2007, 08:18 AM
- - PhilCo126   Thanks for sharing those photos and only the black...   Dec 15 2007, 05:54 PM
- - PDP8E   We have had 8 more inches of snow today on top of ...   Dec 16 2007, 08:36 PM
- - Geert   Various sources all seem to confirm that the camer...   Jun 6 2008, 07:56 AM
|- - tedstryk   Two or three minutes into the transmission, the fi...   Jun 6 2008, 01:50 PM
- - aconnell   Dear Tedstryk. I'd be really grateful if you c...   Jun 6 2008, 05:11 PM
|- - tedstryk   It was an image I clearly labeled a "what if...   Jun 6 2008, 05:46 PM
- - nprev   I don't know, Ted. They're undeniably fasc...   Jun 6 2008, 07:06 PM
|- - tedstryk   nprev, as I said in my description at the beginnin...   Jun 6 2008, 08:26 PM
- - Geert   On his excellent site on Soviet Space Cameras ( ht...   Jun 7 2008, 08:42 AM
- - aconnell   Many thanks Ted. I can remember as a teenager in t...   Jun 7 2008, 02:09 PM
|- - tedstryk   It is a shame they didn't start the transmissi...   Jun 7 2008, 02:26 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Conspiracy theorists are and will always be a lost...   Jun 7 2008, 02:39 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 02:39 PM)...   Jun 7 2008, 03:02 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Yeah, MetNet is an elegant decision. However, I...   Jun 7 2008, 03:23 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 03:23 PM)...   Jun 7 2008, 03:28 PM
|- - tedstryk   Oh, OK, in the sense of possible launch failure. ...   Jun 7 2008, 03:46 PM
- - Zvezdichko   I personally see Volna as an unreliable vehicle.   Jun 7 2008, 03:35 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Yeah, that's what I meant. Volna failed to lau...   Jun 7 2008, 03:49 PM
|- - tedstryk   My guess is that the little Chinese orbiter took i...   Jun 7 2008, 03:54 PM
- - Zvezdichko   I understand, but I also don't see how the des...   Jun 7 2008, 04:02 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 04:02 PM)...   Jun 7 2008, 04:05 PM
- - Zvezdichko   You are probably right. The Chinese orbiter will b...   Jun 7 2008, 04:17 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 05:17 PM)...   Jun 7 2008, 06:16 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Yeah, that's why the failure of Mars 96 was re...   Jun 7 2008, 06:41 PM
|- - tedstryk   I hope it makes it on there! By the way, here...   Jun 8 2008, 04:34 AM
- - Zvezdichko   Ted, I'm reading the upper link with a great i...   Jun 8 2008, 07:54 AM
|- - tedstryk   I don't think the Mars-6 flyby module took ima...   Jun 8 2008, 12:52 PM
|- - Geert   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 8 2008, 02:54 PM)...   Jun 9 2008, 05:12 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Geert @ Jun 9 2008, 06:12 AM) The ...   Jun 9 2008, 12:53 PM
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- - Phil Stooke   Yikes - Google Mars has Mars 2 at the stupid Wikip...   Feb 5 2009, 04:36 AM
|- - Geert   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM...   Feb 6 2009, 09:38 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Way off course by a few hundred km maybe, not half...   Feb 6 2009, 11:50 AM
|- - Geert   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 6 2009, 06:50 PM...   Feb 7 2009, 04:51 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Geert @ Feb 7 2009, 05:51 AM) It i...   Feb 7 2009, 01:47 PM
|- - DDAVIS   'The fact that the landingsites were chosen fr...   Feb 7 2009, 10:05 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Hi Don! You are thinking of Mars 6. The Mari...   Feb 7 2009, 11:16 PM
- - Phil Stooke   http://www.laspace.ru/rus/mars23.php Lavochkin we...   Feb 14 2009, 02:51 AM
|- - Geert   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 14 2009, 09:51 A...   Feb 14 2009, 05:26 AM
- - Geert   Forgot to mention that according to the above reas...   Feb 14 2009, 05:41 AM
- - nprev   Thank you for this very comprehensive and interest...   Feb 14 2009, 07:10 AM
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