TEGA - Round 2 |
TEGA - Round 2 |
 Jul 19 2008, 12:04 PM
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I challenge you not to look at this and make a ping/spring/boing happy sort of a noise.
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Jul 29 2008, 02:48 AM
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I read that as, "Well, the stuff is in the oven anyway. If we do manage to deliver ice how are we going to interpret the data with a mixed sample? Might as well cook this one up and be done with it."
With regards to Shaka's question, can they determine the H/D ratio from the evolved stuff? (If they can, the H/D ratio of the ice would be lost since both would probably sublime equally well within experimental error. So they'd need a fresh ice sample in the oven, not a used and abused concentrate.) -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Jul 29 2008, 03:20 AM
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 3-June 08 From: McLean, VA Member No.: 4177 |
Okay, I'm a bit confused.
Peter's comments implied fresh delivery of a dry sample, no? Like oven #0 has spoiled stuff in it. Would they just dump new dry stuff in #0 till it's finally full and then, how do you characterize the result in regard to its context? As NotLurkingAnymore suggests, could #0 just be a delivery test site now? I admit to profound ignorance of the chemistry of all this. Paul |
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djellison TEGA - Round 2 Jul 19 2008, 12:04 PM
rob66 ping! spring! boing !
A beautiful sig... Jul 19 2008, 12:10 PM Stu Hmm, my noise was kind of a combination of a long,... Jul 19 2008, 12:19 PM nprev Oh, right on!!! What a welcome sight. ... Jul 19 2008, 01:03 PM Tesheiner "Phew" is the best word, I would say. No... Jul 19 2008, 01:09 PM Reckless Sproing indeed Jul 19 2008, 01:23 PM dmg Great news on the door. Here's hoping that al... Jul 19 2008, 03:14 PM djellison Left Eye R/B fudged colour. Right Eye Diopter IR/... Jul 19 2008, 06:41 PM
centsworth_II Question from old TEGA thread:
QUOTE (jmknapp)....... Jul 19 2008, 07:12 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 19 2008, 02:12... Jul 20 2008, 12:37 PM climber QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 19 2008, 08:41 PM)... Jul 19 2008, 07:39 PM Shaka At the sound of your voice Heaven opens its portal... Jul 19 2008, 07:18 PM belleraphon1 I just caught the news from Emily's blog..... ... Jul 19 2008, 07:56 PM CosmicRocker QUOTE (climber @ Jul 19 2008, 01:39 PM) I... Jul 20 2008, 05:43 AM Solar Fan Yea!
It looks like they've successfully u... Jul 22 2008, 03:28 AM Cargo Cult QUOTE (Solar Fan @ Jul 22 2008, 04:28 AM)... Jul 22 2008, 08:48 AM Ken McLean QUOTE (Cargo Cult @ Jul 22 2008, 06:48 PM... Jul 23 2008, 10:58 AM centsworth_II QUOTE (Ken McLean @ Jul 23 2008, 06:58 AM... Jul 23 2008, 03:07 PM BrianL My momma always said, "TEGA is like a box of ... Jul 23 2008, 05:07 PM Skyrunner QUOTE (BrianL @ Jul 23 2008, 07:07 PM) My... Jul 23 2008, 06:07 PM TheChemist Apologies, the wait is too long Jul 23 2008, 09:25 PM Skyrunner Wow, thanks to Emily's Blog we now know more.
... Jul 25 2008, 08:13 AM Deimos QUOTE (Skyrunner @ Jul 25 2008, 09:13 AM)... Jul 25 2008, 02:24 PM Skyrunner QUOTE (Deimos @ Jul 25 2008, 04:24 PM) No... Jul 25 2008, 06:17 PM jmjawors This does not clear up anything for me. Then agai... Jul 25 2008, 06:31 PM akuo Looks like they are finally going for it:
QUOTE Sc... Jul 25 2008, 11:42 PM bcory "NASA has tentatively scheduled a "mid-c... Jul 26 2008, 01:33 AM Aussie I have always been a little in awe of the expertis... Jul 26 2008, 03:15 AM 1101001 Sol 60 Raw Images
This looks like post-delivery, ... Jul 26 2008, 03:46 PM fredk They certainly got some serious rasping done:
http... Jul 26 2008, 04:05 PM Juramike QUOTE (fredk @ Jul 26 2008, 11:05 AM) The... Jul 26 2008, 04:26 PM jamescanvin Here is a before and after gif. Jul 26 2008, 04:08 PM imipak Is it just me, or did they completely miss the ove... Jul 26 2008, 05:11 PM ugordan I don't think they missed it. There's some... Jul 26 2008, 05:29 PM centsworth_II QUOTE (imipak @ Jul 26 2008, 01:11 PM) Th... Jul 26 2008, 06:37 PM Reckless Looking at the early and late post dump shots hter... Jul 26 2008, 05:43 PM 1101001 I venture they got an oven-full signal. Maybe.
Th... Jul 26 2008, 06:17 PM imipak I take it back - there are traces along the lower ... Jul 26 2008, 08:00 PM Shaka Still... I would welcome a confirmation of "o... Jul 26 2008, 08:24 PM BrianL Yeah, what's the scoop?
Sorry, couldn... Jul 26 2008, 08:55 PM akuo Not enough material in the oven :-(
http://phoenix... Jul 26 2008, 10:24 PM dvandorn QUOTE (akuo @ Jul 26 2008, 05:24 PM) Not ... Jul 26 2008, 10:43 PM TheChemist Well, there is also some good news in there :
... Jul 26 2008, 10:33 PM elakdawalla Neither -- "much of the soil remained lodged ... Jul 26 2008, 10:49 PM slinted Here's an RAC image of the sample before the s... Jul 26 2008, 11:19 PM Paul Fjeld QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jul 26 2008, 06:49 P... Jul 27 2008, 02:20 AM akuo As the press release says "the robotic arm co... Jul 26 2008, 10:49 PM Stu Mars has never given up any of its secrets without... Jul 26 2008, 10:54 PM ArizonaWildcat QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 26 2008, 02:54 PM) Mars ... Jul 26 2008, 11:19 PM JRehling What's most annoying is that with sublimation,... Jul 27 2008, 02:26 AM Shaka
I can't stand it. Jul 27 2008, 12:03 AM belleraphon1 Nothing comes easy....
Trying to operate a delic... Jul 27 2008, 12:18 AM PDP8E 1) hold the scoop so that material should fall out... Jul 27 2008, 01:28 AM Deimos QUOTE (PDP8E @ Jul 27 2008, 02:28 AM) 1) ... Jul 27 2008, 03:34 AM elakdawalla QUOTE (Deimos @ Jul 26 2008, 07:34 PM) Yo... Jul 27 2008, 03:08 PM jmjawors There is a reason they are not going about it in s... Jul 27 2008, 02:11 AM Shaka
These TEGA scoops don't empty unless you hit ... Jul 27 2008, 05:12 AM climber I can also see other good news :
- if the sample ... Jul 27 2008, 06:41 AM jmknapp The way the soil clumps and adheres suggests a fai... Jul 27 2008, 11:22 AM fredk QUOTE (jmknapp @ Jul 27 2008, 11:22 AM) T... Jul 27 2008, 09:29 PM babboxy mankind always struggles with ice Jul 27 2008, 11:28 AM Paul Fjeld I know silver linings are little annoying, but I f... Jul 27 2008, 02:25 PM mike QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Jul 27 2008, 06:25 AM... Jul 27 2008, 09:49 PM BrianL So, if this sample is stuck in there, how are they... Jul 27 2008, 02:10 PM 1101001 QUOTE (BrianL @ Jul 27 2008, 06:10 AM) So... Jul 27 2008, 06:20 PM jmjawors Did they empty the scoop onto MECA?
[Image] Jul 27 2008, 07:01 PM Juramike recent space.com article on Phoenix's delivery... Jul 27 2008, 03:46 PM dvandorn With apologies to all...
"Comedy is easy. M... Jul 27 2008, 04:16 PM PDP8E
A young nasa test pilot and an eager JPL enginee... Jul 27 2008, 05:17 PM Juramike From the update:
QUOTE NASA's Phoenix Mars La... Jul 27 2008, 10:57 PM ElkGroveDan How do they define "overnight Sunday"? ... Jul 28 2008, 12:18 AM elakdawalla I am virtually certain that they mean "overni... Jul 28 2008, 03:06 AM ElkGroveDan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jul 27 2008, 07:06 P... Jul 28 2008, 03:31 AM climber QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 28 2008, 05:31 A... Jul 28 2008, 06:44 AM fredk As far as heating of the scoop goes, does anyone k... Jul 28 2008, 03:11 AM djellison QUOTE (fredk @ Jul 28 2008, 04:11 AM) As ... Jul 28 2008, 07:05 AM jmknapp QUOTE (fredk @ Jul 27 2008, 11:11 PM) As ... Jul 28 2008, 09:29 AM nprev Now that's a fascinating factoid, actually... Jul 28 2008, 03:50 AM Floyd I think we should all switch to apparent solar tim... Jul 28 2008, 04:36 AM NotLurkingAnymore Presumably an unknown amount of material did make ... Jul 28 2008, 10:11 AM TheChemist The oven will be used again for a second attempt t... Jul 28 2008, 11:12 AM BrianL There's stuff sticking to the screen on the So... Jul 28 2008, 03:39 PM djellison QUOTE (BrianL @ Jul 28 2008, 04:39 PM) Wa... Jul 28 2008, 04:49 PM jmknapp QUOTE (BrianL @ Jul 28 2008, 11:39 AM) Th... Jul 28 2008, 05:01 PM jamescanvin You mean there WAS material stuck to the screen, i... Jul 28 2008, 04:45 PM ElkGroveDan The icy soil in the Mars environs, looks and seems... Jul 28 2008, 05:43 PM Juramike QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 28 2008, 12:43 P... Jul 28 2008, 05:59 PM brellis Sounds like you can make a nice igloo outta this s... Jul 28 2008, 06:35 PM NotLurkingAnymore Just a few more thoughts on the state of oven 0.
... Jul 28 2008, 09:23 PM 1101001 Failed again. Not enough delivered to TEGA.
JPL P... Jul 29 2008, 01:35 AM Paul Fjeld QUOTE Smith said, "While we continue with det... Jul 29 2008, 01:47 AM centsworth_II QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Jul 28 2008, 09:47 PM... Jul 29 2008, 02:13 AM Shaka Just how vital is it to boil some water vapor from... Jul 29 2008, 02:26 AM Aussie QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Jul 29 2008, 04:20 AM... Jul 29 2008, 09:01 AM centsworth_II QUOTE (Juramike @ Jul 28 2008, 09:48 PM) ... Jul 29 2008, 03:23 AM CosmicRocker How about picking up some dry soil and tipping it ... Jul 29 2008, 04:04 AM jmknapp QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 28 2008, 11:04 ... Jul 29 2008, 10:56 AM MahFL My take is they can't get an icy sample into t... Jul 29 2008, 12:19 PM |
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