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Meridiani Ice theory, New theory for the formation of the Meridiani bedrock
Doc
post Feb 17 2009, 12:48 PM
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Hi all, long time no see.
Yet another theory to explain the origin for the bedrock encountered by Opportunity.
I first heard of this new theory from Universe Today;

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/02/16/ne...t-mars-equator/

An abstract is available at http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/nc...bs/ngeo438.html

The theory is interesting, but I would really be interested to know how it explains the spherules seen by Opportunity not to mention the vugs.
Thoughts any one?


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Paul Niles
post Feb 19 2009, 05:09 AM
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I have no Map nor do I know if a map exists. Definitely something I'd like to see. I'm not sure if someone out there is keeping track of all of the sulfate deposits -- I have seen maps like that - check here. But I think these things are changing on the month to month basis as CRISM and OMEGA make new discoveries.

We currently have no comprehensive theory for ice deposits on Mars or how they got there -- we simply think they were at Meridiani. Now we pose two mechanisms for what may have happened:
1) Obliquity variations: Basically the angle of tilt of Mars' axis of rotation vis a vis the Sun is thought to have varied considerably with time. Sometimes dipping down to as low as 40 degrees from vertical. These obliquity variations could cause ice to be redistributed from the polar regions to the equator. The ice would then move back again when the obliquity became more vertical. This might provide a mechanism for depositing large amounts of ice early in Mars' history on the equator, and then removing it again.

2) Polar wander -- this idea is that the actual map location of the axis of rotation of Mars was in a different place early in the history of Mars (before the growth of Tharsis). As Tharsis grew, it caused the axis of rotation to migrate across the planet until it reached its final location. Everybody is pretty sure this happened, but no one knows how large of an effect it had. It could have only moved a few degrees, while it may have moved all the way from the equator. We speculate based on the antipodal hydrogen deposits, and layered terrain in Arabia, that a paleo-pole was located near Meridiani. But if you ask most Mars scientists who are familiar with this subject you would find extreme skepticism -- for valid reasons. Mostly having to do with age relationships of the terrain in question and the growth of Tharsis.
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- Doc   Meridiani Ice theory   Feb 17 2009, 12:48 PM
- - Juramike   Interesting! (Corrected Universe Today link h...   Feb 17 2009, 02:22 PM
- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Doc @ Feb 17 2009, 07:48 AM) The t...   Feb 17 2009, 03:51 PM
- - Doc   Exactly Centsworth, c'mon people start brainst...   Feb 17 2009, 04:06 PM
- - sariondil   Regarding the vugs, the article says they originat...   Feb 17 2009, 04:36 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (sariondil @ Feb 17 2009, 11:36 AM)...   Feb 17 2009, 04:45 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (sariondil @ Feb 17 2009, 09:36 AM)...   Feb 17 2009, 10:52 PM
- - ngunn   Once you postulate a thick ice cover I suppose you...   Feb 17 2009, 04:49 PM
- - imipak   ngunn, could you elaborate on what a "closed ...   Feb 17 2009, 09:13 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 17 2009, 09:13 PM) ...   Feb 17 2009, 10:31 PM
- - Paul Niles   I'm glad to see a few people here that are int...   Feb 17 2009, 10:25 PM
- - ngunn   Hey - Paul Niles, welcome! More please - most...   Feb 17 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Floyd   Welcome Paul Niles. It is always great to have au...   Feb 17 2009, 11:39 PM
- - Paul Niles   For those of you so inclined, you can read my LPSC...   Feb 18 2009, 01:00 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks for that - it's a very interesting read...   Feb 18 2009, 01:28 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 18 2009, 08:28 AM) Tha...   Feb 18 2009, 04:17 PM
- - Doc   Wow, thanks for abstract Niles. This is certainly ...   Feb 18 2009, 04:01 PM
- - Paul Niles   The idea -- as it pertains to the rest of Mars -- ...   Feb 18 2009, 10:51 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks Paul, that's very informative. I can se...   Feb 18 2009, 11:34 PM
- - dvandorn   I seem to recall asking, in the extensive and now ...   Feb 19 2009, 03:36 AM
- - Paul Niles   I have no Map nor do I know if a map exists. Defin...   Feb 19 2009, 05:09 AM
- - Shaka   Having at last gained access to and read your pape...   Feb 25 2009, 10:16 PM
- - Paul Niles   I love the "icy test tubes model" -- can...   Mar 2 2009, 04:36 PM
- - Shaka   Please accept "icy test-tubes" with my b...   Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM
- - imipak   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM) I ha...   Mar 3 2009, 08:57 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE ... I could have sworn festooned cross-bed f...   Mar 4 2009, 01:09 AM
- - Shaka   I've been looking hard for festoons for years ...   Mar 3 2009, 10:27 PM
- - Paul Niles   I've never been too convinced by the "fes...   Mar 4 2009, 12:39 AM


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