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Meridiani Ice theory, New theory for the formation of the Meridiani bedrock
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post Feb 17 2009, 12:48 PM
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Hi all, long time no see.
Yet another theory to explain the origin for the bedrock encountered by Opportunity.
I first heard of this new theory from Universe Today;

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/02/16/ne...t-mars-equator/

An abstract is available at http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/nc...bs/ngeo438.html

The theory is interesting, but I would really be interested to know how it explains the spherules seen by Opportunity not to mention the vugs.
Thoughts any one?


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post Feb 25 2009, 10:16 PM
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Having at last gained access to and read your paper with Michalski, I can congratulate you on your contribution to the Meridiani provenance debate. I look forward to reading the responses of the MER P.I.s who presently sponsor the "warm, wet playa" alternative hypothesis. Probably some of those responses have already been aired at the LPSC, but those of us unfortunates unable to attend must languish in ignorance of the state of play. It would be tremendously exciting for UMSF members if that discussion could visit this forum, but those involved may prefer to rely on the traditional, slower, more thoughtful avenues of debate in the refereed literature. I'm not sure of my own preference in the long term, but I am eager to see the outcome of this collision of hypotheses.

You interpret the regionally-uniform, but locally-improbable chemical ratios of Meridiani sediments as the result of regionally-uniform, but locally-confined reactions in icy microcosms. I am wondering if your model permits quantification of the microcosm system to such an extent that you might be able to predict, at least approximately, the abundances of chemical species found at present. You emphasize, for example, the very limited abundance of water in your reactive system. Could this serve to predict the limited size of the "blueberry" concretions? This issue is one of considerable interest to many of us, including Don Burt, who has listed it among the reasons he favors his "brine splat" impact hypothesis over the greenhouse-playa model. I am less convinced that a series of random meteor impacts might produce the present picture of Meridiani sediments, but I would be strongly persuaded toward your "icy-test tubes" model if you could predict the size-distribution of blueberries. That's probably asking a lot, but, if beyond reason, might you suggest another quantitative observation that would permit a clear choice from the three models? (Or do you feel you have already done that?)

In any case let me add my thanks for your willingness to discuss your ideas in this forum. I hope your experience here will prove congenial enough to persuade other senior authors to emerge from 'lurk-mode' and join in our "cyber-seminar".




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- Doc   Meridiani Ice theory   Feb 17 2009, 12:48 PM
- - Juramike   Interesting! (Corrected Universe Today link h...   Feb 17 2009, 02:22 PM
- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Doc @ Feb 17 2009, 07:48 AM) The t...   Feb 17 2009, 03:51 PM
- - Doc   Exactly Centsworth, c'mon people start brainst...   Feb 17 2009, 04:06 PM
- - sariondil   Regarding the vugs, the article says they originat...   Feb 17 2009, 04:36 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (sariondil @ Feb 17 2009, 11:36 AM)...   Feb 17 2009, 04:45 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (sariondil @ Feb 17 2009, 09:36 AM)...   Feb 17 2009, 10:52 PM
- - ngunn   Once you postulate a thick ice cover I suppose you...   Feb 17 2009, 04:49 PM
- - imipak   ngunn, could you elaborate on what a "closed ...   Feb 17 2009, 09:13 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 17 2009, 09:13 PM) ...   Feb 17 2009, 10:31 PM
- - Paul Niles   I'm glad to see a few people here that are int...   Feb 17 2009, 10:25 PM
- - ngunn   Hey - Paul Niles, welcome! More please - most...   Feb 17 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Floyd   Welcome Paul Niles. It is always great to have au...   Feb 17 2009, 11:39 PM
- - Paul Niles   For those of you so inclined, you can read my LPSC...   Feb 18 2009, 01:00 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks for that - it's a very interesting read...   Feb 18 2009, 01:28 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 18 2009, 08:28 AM) Tha...   Feb 18 2009, 04:17 PM
- - Doc   Wow, thanks for abstract Niles. This is certainly ...   Feb 18 2009, 04:01 PM
- - Paul Niles   The idea -- as it pertains to the rest of Mars -- ...   Feb 18 2009, 10:51 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks Paul, that's very informative. I can se...   Feb 18 2009, 11:34 PM
- - dvandorn   I seem to recall asking, in the extensive and now ...   Feb 19 2009, 03:36 AM
- - Paul Niles   I have no Map nor do I know if a map exists. Defin...   Feb 19 2009, 05:09 AM
- - Shaka   Having at last gained access to and read your pape...   Feb 25 2009, 10:16 PM
- - Paul Niles   I love the "icy test tubes model" -- can...   Mar 2 2009, 04:36 PM
- - Shaka   Please accept "icy test-tubes" with my b...   Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM
- - imipak   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM) I ha...   Mar 3 2009, 08:57 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE ... I could have sworn festooned cross-bed f...   Mar 4 2009, 01:09 AM
- - Shaka   I've been looking hard for festoons for years ...   Mar 3 2009, 10:27 PM
- - Paul Niles   I've never been too convinced by the "fes...   Mar 4 2009, 12:39 AM


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