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800Whrs+ Staying Up Late ideas
djellison
post Jun 6 2009, 07:04 AM
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With Spirit producing an annoyingly large amount of power given her current predicament, the time may well have come to re-open the Gusev astronomy society. Anyone have any dusk / nightime observation ideas?
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post Jul 4 2009, 06:19 PM
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Well now, if we're talking goofball ideas... Astro0's evocative animation of the sunset especially reminds me that I've often wondered about the outreach potential of full-motion video. Of course, there are plenty of excellent reasons why video capture's not a requirement for present or any future lander, not least the fact that if nothing much moves... what do you film?

Well, actually quite a few things move or change their appearance relatively quickly. (That's evident from the many amazing animations posted here and elsewhere composed from still sequences.) The sun moves, of course, and the shadows cast by the landscape and rover itself. Those planets which are bright enough to be visible (more slowly.) The stars, and possibly other astronomical objects. Phobos and Deimos. Possibly orbiting spacecraft. Dust devils. Atmospheric phenomena - clouds, and dust clouds; possibly aurorae as suggested by nprev above. And (one day!) the whole landscape will move past Spirit itself.

So, how about shooting some sequences at a higher than normal rate? (e.g. , an hour of one image every 30s would make 5 seconds of 25fps "video".) Candidates might include DD movies, the moving scenery once Spirit gets back on the road, and personally I'd love to see an all-night sequence of the stars revolving across the sky. (That would require staying awake all night, which I guess would be too power-intensive even with 900 Whr?)

I have a hunch that a sequence composed of stills showed at 25 fps, even if nothing interesting is going on, would produce a more visceral, "real life" feel in viewers used to seeing the world on TV. Even a sequence where nothing moves but the noise on the CCDs would, I think, communicate something more immediate and direct about the statement "we have rovers on Mars" than still images alone.

I can see two obvious problems with this, apart from the obvious ("...but that's crazy. What's the point?"): storage space, and uplink bandwidth. No doubt there are many others!


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- djellison   800Whrs+ Staying Up Late ideas   Jun 6 2009, 07:04 AM
- - Astro0   Thinking ahead... - A low sun angle view of the r...   Jun 6 2009, 07:20 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (Astro0 @ Jun 6 2009, 08:20 AM) - P...   Jun 6 2009, 10:01 AM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (Stu @ Jun 6 2009, 12:01 PM) If my ...   Jun 6 2009, 01:02 PM
- - James Sorenson   I'm not sure if this would work, and is probab...   Jun 6 2009, 08:40 AM
- - climber   From my place (here on Earth) I'm able, with d...   Jun 6 2009, 09:37 AM
|- - akuo   An extended sunset movie would be nice with colour...   Jun 6 2009, 10:38 AM
- - ngunn   I'd like them to scan the dark sky at each end...   Jun 6 2009, 11:28 AM
- - Stu   Just for fun... this is inaccurate in countless (t...   Jun 6 2009, 12:36 PM
- - SpaceListener   I have already checked with the http://space.jpl.n...   Jun 6 2009, 04:55 PM
- - nprev   Still think it would be worth staring at appropria...   Jun 6 2009, 05:10 PM
- - fredk   I agree that recovering an orbiter would be very i...   Jun 6 2009, 06:03 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 6 2009, 11:03 AM) I ag...   Jun 6 2009, 07:36 PM
- - Deimos   Keep the ideas coming. Not surprisingly, many of t...   Jun 6 2009, 07:44 PM
- - Stu   Some number crunching on the Earth image... hopefu...   Jun 6 2009, 07:59 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   Is there any chance of detecting triboluminescence...   Jun 6 2009, 09:16 PM
- - akuo   Would it be technically possible to track the Mart...   Jun 7 2009, 03:47 PM
- - tasp   The triboluminesence idea got me thinking, with th...   Jun 7 2009, 08:22 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/14jul_dust...   Jun 7 2009, 09:13 PM
- - Oersted   How fast can they take consecutive images? Would b...   Jun 8 2009, 12:59 AM
|- - Deimos   QUOTE (Oersted @ Jun 8 2009, 01:59 AM) Ho...   Jun 8 2009, 01:40 PM
|- - akuo   QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 8 2009, 01:40 PM) No,...   Jun 9 2009, 08:12 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 6 2009, 12:03 PM) ... ...   Jun 8 2009, 05:54 AM
- - climber   Please check this and tell me if you can see ...   Jun 8 2009, 12:54 PM
- - djellison   We've mentioned this many times before. Check...   Jun 8 2009, 12:59 PM
- - Astro0   I'd be more interested in something that appea...   Jun 8 2009, 01:00 PM
- - djellison   A hot pixel with added pixel bleed?   Jun 8 2009, 01:25 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   I don't believe that hot pixels "bleed...   Jun 8 2009, 01:31 PM
|- - Deimos   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jun 8 2009, 02:31 PM...   Jun 8 2009, 01:50 PM
- - Stu   If I was Spirit I'd be keeping a close eye on ...   Jun 8 2009, 01:33 PM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 8 2009, 08:40 AM) ......   Jun 8 2009, 02:27 PM
- - djellison   MER CCD response is in this paper http://pancam.a...   Jun 8 2009, 02:34 PM
- - Stu   Playing about with STARRY NIGHT again just now I f...   Jun 8 2009, 04:13 PM
- - fredk   Stu, can you find out what our elongation from the...   Jun 8 2009, 04:24 PM
- - Stu   Then... ... and now...   Jun 8 2009, 05:29 PM
- - fredk   Thanks Stu. I get around 29 or 30 degrees elongat...   Jun 8 2009, 05:59 PM
- - Deimos   Dust opacity was actually higher then, but Earth w...   Jun 8 2009, 06:33 PM
- - Stu   Oh, just click away, you'll get something. It...   Jun 8 2009, 06:51 PM
- - marswiggle   I don't have any parameters at hand, but I sup...   Jun 8 2009, 11:08 PM
- - Pertinax   So much of the low and even middle hanging fruit h...   Jun 9 2009, 01:47 AM
- - Deimos   The MER PMA points much more precisely and accurat...   Jun 9 2009, 03:34 PM
- - climber   From Scott Twitter: Amazingly, we're planning ...   Jun 17 2009, 08:39 PM
- - Stu   Yep, time for another Gusev AS star party...! ...   Jun 17 2009, 09:18 PM
- - Deimos   Yes, we've gotten some nice twilight imaging (...   Jun 19 2009, 12:53 AM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 19 2009, 01:53 AM) Th...   Jun 19 2009, 07:57 AM
- - Stu   QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 19 2009, 01:53 AM) Ye...   Jun 19 2009, 05:19 AM
- - jamescanvin   Movie of twilight at Gusev, taken over 23 minutes ...   Jun 19 2009, 08:14 AM
- - Oersted   Phobos and Deimos maybe? I seem to see two dots th...   Jun 19 2009, 09:24 AM
- - fredk   I think they're all hot pixels/CR's. Near...   Jun 19 2009, 02:19 PM
- - Deimos   These views are just right of sunset, a bit south ...   Jun 19 2009, 03:28 PM
- - Stu   Latest navcams ( http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/...   Jun 23 2009, 08:50 PM
- - fredk   Some pancams show a bright star (moon?) and a fain...   Jun 24 2009, 12:54 AM
- - Stu   Good catch Fred, definitely something there.   Jun 24 2009, 06:53 AM
- - Astro0   Moon or spacecraft? (and by that I mean "one ...   Jun 24 2009, 07:03 AM
- - djellison   Phobos going into eclipse, I'd say. (Although...   Jun 24 2009, 08:13 AM
- - fredk   I'll go out on a limb and guess the bright obj...   Jun 24 2009, 02:39 PM
- - mhoward   Really cool stuff. FWIW the images in fredk's ...   Jun 24 2009, 03:32 PM
- - Deimos   The star is Canopus, which is not quite circumpola...   Jun 24 2009, 09:06 PM
- - fredk   I registered the 5 Venus-Earth pancam frames on Ve...   Jun 24 2009, 10:46 PM
|- - helvick   Nice work there Fred, very nice.   Jun 25 2009, 06:36 PM
- - Stu   If that is Earth, you're my new hero Fred.   Jun 25 2009, 06:54 PM
- - ilbasso   I'm waiting for the MERs to start spamming eac...   Jun 25 2009, 09:11 PM
|- - SFJCody   A nice update here.   Jun 25 2009, 09:35 PM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (ilbasso @ Jun 25 2009, 03:11 PM) ....   Jun 26 2009, 05:00 AM
- - Stu   Do we have any confirmation yet that the two dots ...   Jun 26 2009, 06:48 AM
- - Deimos   Stu: Yes. And there are more images from this seri...   Jun 26 2009, 12:06 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   A bit more enhancement.....   Jun 26 2009, 03:35 PM
- - fredk   Thanks for that Dan! Amazing what the right s...   Jun 26 2009, 03:50 PM
|- - PDP8E   WOW < speechless >   Jun 27 2009, 03:00 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Nice work, fredk; but would you mind redoing them ...   Jun 27 2009, 05:57 AM
- - Fran Ontanaya   Five recent navcams, averaged and blended using th...   Jun 30 2009, 05:45 AM
- - Astro0   Thought I'd play around with an enhancement on...   Jun 30 2009, 02:53 PM
- - climber   Beautifull indeed! Do you know why it seams th...   Jun 30 2009, 03:37 PM
|- - ugordan   Automatic contrast stretch, I'd say.   Jun 30 2009, 05:33 PM
- - alan   I believe the short streak on the right is Phobos....   Jul 1 2009, 02:14 AM
- - fredk   I believe you're right. Animation of Phobos r...   Jul 1 2009, 04:18 AM
- - nprev   Great animation, Fred! It gave me another pos...   Jul 1 2009, 04:53 AM
- - Astro0   fredk - fantastic animation. What I love are the c...   Jul 1 2009, 09:54 AM
- - Deimos   The streaks are just cosmic rays. Most CRs are sma...   Jul 1 2009, 01:37 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   Is there any chance to bounce a radio signal on th...   Jul 1 2009, 05:37 PM
|- - helvick   IIRC despite being much thinner at the ground Eart...   Jul 1 2009, 07:00 PM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (Deimos @ Jul 1 2009, 08:37 AM) ......   Jul 2 2009, 04:46 AM
- - Deimos   Sometimes the science objective requires exposures...   Jul 2 2009, 03:13 PM
- - nprev   Okay, longest long-shot goofball night obs idea I ...   Jul 3 2009, 02:08 AM
|- - BrianL   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 2 2009, 08:08 PM) Okay...   Jul 3 2009, 04:20 AM
- - lyford   Since MRO has taken a few shots of Spirit, is it e...   Jul 3 2009, 03:58 PM
- - Astro0   Here's a movie of the sunset on Sols 1940 and ...   Jul 4 2009, 02:15 PM
- - imipak   Well now, if we're talking goofball ideas... A...   Jul 4 2009, 06:19 PM
- - fredk   Here is another animation showing Earth sliding pa...   Jul 7 2009, 12:23 AM
- - fredk   And here's a labelled version showing Earth...   Jul 7 2009, 12:27 AM
- - Deimos   Airglow and discharges have been discussed a few t...   Jul 7 2009, 02:44 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Deimos @ Jul 7 2009, 07:44 AM) Tha...   Jul 8 2009, 03:33 AM
- - climber   Mark, regarding downlink as well as "20-70 Mb...   Jul 7 2009, 03:34 PM
- - Deimos   For image data, I've got 125 Gb from Spirit an...   Jul 8 2009, 01:25 AM
- - Astro0   Deimos said: Although if anyone can make the sol 1...   Jul 8 2009, 04:17 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (Astro0 @ Jul 8 2009, 05:17 AM) Of ...   Jul 8 2009, 05:46 AM
- - CosmicRocker   I see superres imagery coming down. Who'd hav...   Jul 14 2009, 06:06 AM
- - RobertEB   I am betting the dust devils create static dischar...   Oct 2 2009, 02:01 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   ....more importantly, do dust devils even blow at ...   Oct 2 2009, 02:22 PM
- - Deimos   Yes, the Sun plays a big role in dust devils. Orbi...   Oct 2 2009, 03:33 PM
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