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The western route, 5th leg after stop at Absecon / Reeds Bay
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post Jul 11 2009, 05:57 PM
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Time for a new thread.
After moving southwards for ages, the "detour" by the western path has started with a 60+ meters drive on sol 1942.
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There are no images yet --they should be available on the next update-- so this image was calculated solely based on the rover's mobility info. I'll update the route map later.
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post Jul 29 2009, 11:33 PM
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On this sandblasted plane Block Island is large enough to have caused local wind variations and isn't it possible that the larger ripples in the immediate area could be attributable to this rather than crater remnants? If BI is ejecta rather than an asteroidal meteorite then the impact could well have been at terminal velocity for Mars or less. No more than 1 km/s? That wouldn't punch a particularly large hole. We could even be looking at ejecta from Victoria. So even if it does have the composition of an iron meteorite, if it is a fragment spalled from the Victoria meteorite on impact it would again have hit at less than terminal velocity.

If it is a Victoria impactor fragment spalled on impact and ejected does that make it ejecta or meteorite? huh.gif
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post Jul 30 2009, 01:24 AM
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QUOTE (serpens @ Jul 29 2009, 06:33 PM) *
...if it is a fragment spalled from the Victoria meteorite on impact....

My impression is that Victoria is too old for anything spalled from it's impactor to be lying on the current surface. Weren't we speculating a while back that Victoria* was formed before the hundreds of meters of sediment that Opportunity is traveling over were laid down?

*edit: Oops, getting my craters mixed up.. That was Endeavor. But the speculation on Victoria was that it was so old that it has been covered over and uncovered by deposition and erosion, still making it impossible that the current surface could be the surface on which part of it's impactor fell.
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post Jul 30 2009, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 29 2009, 05:24 PM) *
...has been covered over and uncovered by deposition and erosion...


Actually, I think that's really the key concept to understanding the Meridiani meteorites. It doesn't seem like we see much exposed bedrock aside from regions near craters or between dunes. I get the impression that the environment is similar in one respect to Antarctica or glacier tops: the surface gets buried & exhumed periodically, and quite often what isn't sand or snow turns out to be meteoritic.

If this model's true, then these meteorites are probably all one-shot unrelated objects & not secondary artifacts of larger impacts.


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- Tesheiner   The western route   Jul 11 2009, 05:57 PM
- - Astrophil   Excuse the jumping in here, but... Shelley, I...   Jul 28 2009, 10:33 AM
- - Stu   Getting closer...   Jul 28 2009, 10:51 AM
- - Stu   Wider angle view...   Jul 28 2009, 10:53 AM
|- - CryptoEngineer   This is probably a stupid question, but..... Are ...   Jul 28 2009, 02:12 PM
|- - PaulM   QUOTE (CryptoEngineer @ Jul 28 2009, 03:1...   Jul 28 2009, 05:38 PM
||- - fredk   QUOTE (PaulM @ Jul 28 2009, 06:38 PM) At ...   Jul 28 2009, 05:52 PM
||- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (PaulM @ Jul 28 2009, 12:38 PM) ......   Jul 28 2009, 08:31 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (CryptoEngineer @ Jul 28 2009, 09:1...   Jul 28 2009, 07:52 PM
- - Phil Stooke   What's especially interesting is how many ther...   Jul 28 2009, 02:34 PM
- - djellison   Other reasons we're going to the rock (other t...   Jul 28 2009, 05:29 PM
- - glennwsmith   Astrophil, I think your reading is correct -- than...   Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM
- - Stu   If ever you want proof of how cool a meteorite is,...   Jul 28 2009, 11:52 PM
|- - CryptoEngineer   QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 28 2009, 06:52 PM) If ev...   Jul 29 2009, 06:38 PM
- - PDP8E   nothing much happening .... so a super zoomed imag...   Jul 29 2009, 01:52 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (PaulM @ Jul 28 2009, 11:38 AM) ......   Jul 29 2009, 05:21 AM
|- - serpens   Given that any ejecta from an Earth impact would b...   Jul 29 2009, 06:24 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 29 2009, 01:21 ...   Jul 29 2009, 07:25 AM
||- - SFJCody   Looks like an iron meteorite. But a very intimidat...   Jul 29 2009, 08:32 AM
||- - serpens   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Jul 29 2009, 09:32 AM) L...   Jul 29 2009, 09:36 AM
|- - PaulM   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 29 2009, 06:21 ...   Jul 29 2009, 11:35 AM
- - djellison   That is a big ass chunky lump of metal I think. I...   Jul 29 2009, 08:35 AM
- - remcook   Looks like the Beagle-2! *ducks and runs*   Jul 29 2009, 08:38 AM
- - Ant103   A very incomplete color view of the meteorite L...   Jul 29 2009, 09:52 AM
- - PDP8E   A report on Block Island by the Mini-TES would be ...   Jul 29 2009, 01:22 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Jul 29 2009, 02:22 PM) A r...   Jul 29 2009, 01:29 PM
- - Stu   Glasses at the ready...   Jul 29 2009, 01:29 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Not too shabby, Stu! I like the little projec...   Jul 29 2009, 01:52 PM
- - Nirgal   looks like another iron meteorite similar to: 200...   Jul 29 2009, 02:43 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Jul 29 2009, 10:43 AM) .....   Jul 29 2009, 03:11 PM
- - diane   Wouldn't a meteorite of that size make a crate...   Jul 29 2009, 02:44 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (diane @ Jul 29 2009, 10:44 AM) Wou...   Jul 29 2009, 03:17 PM
- - Stu   It could just be sitting here after coming from el...   Jul 29 2009, 03:09 PM
- - ngunn   Maybe the surface it landed on has ablated away, c...   Jul 29 2009, 03:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Nirgal - Bounce Rock resembles rocks found on Eart...   Jul 29 2009, 03:11 PM
- - PDP8E   as far as cratering, I am sure the physicists and ...   Jul 29 2009, 03:36 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Jul 29 2009, 10:36 AM) ......   Jul 29 2009, 04:43 PM
||- - MarkG   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 29 2009, 08:43...   Jul 29 2009, 06:20 PM
|- - ustrax   How big would be the crater caused by a pretty thi...   Jul 29 2009, 06:40 PM
- - serpens   On this sandblasted plane Block Island is large en...   Jul 29 2009, 11:33 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (serpens @ Jul 29 2009, 06:33 PM) ....   Jul 30 2009, 01:24 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 29 2009, 05:24...   Jul 30 2009, 01:44 AM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 30 2009, 01:24...   Jul 30 2009, 04:49 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (serpens @ Jul 29 2009, 11:49 PM) T...   Jul 30 2009, 03:57 PM
- - glennwsmith   And in line with the drift (pun intended) of Nprev...   Jul 30 2009, 01:53 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (serpens @ Jul 29 2009, 01:24 AM) G...   Jul 30 2009, 05:34 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 29 2009, 10:34 ...   Jul 30 2009, 07:16 AM
- - Shaka   Now, there's an interesting comparison, Tom. H...   Jul 30 2009, 05:56 AM
|- - PaulM   QUOTE (Shaka @ Jul 30 2009, 06:56 AM) Now...   Jul 30 2009, 11:37 AM
|- - john_s   Mars does of course have the advantage of an atmos...   Jul 30 2009, 03:07 PM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (john_s @ Jul 30 2009, 05:07 AM) Me...   Jul 30 2009, 07:54 PM
- - Stu   Quick recap, comparison and celebration :-)   Jul 30 2009, 03:44 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   Perhaps the distribution of fragments around it ca...   Jul 30 2009, 06:25 PM
- - MarkG   The surface of BI seems to show some signs of atmo...   Jul 30 2009, 08:11 PM
- - Stu   Some musings on martian meteorites here if anyone ...   Jul 30 2009, 08:32 PM
- - nasaman58   Does this look like a meteorite to anyone else? My...   Jul 31 2009, 01:34 AM
- - centsworth_II   Latest pancam of Block Island (top), and a reminde...   Jul 31 2009, 02:30 AM
- - Shaka   Two chips off the old block! Guess we shoul...   Jul 31 2009, 03:14 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 30 2009, 02:16 A...   Jul 31 2009, 04:12 AM
|- - SFJCody   http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...B8P23...   Jul 31 2009, 08:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Maybe - or it might have had showers of ejecta fro...   Jul 31 2009, 08:14 PM
|- - SFJCody   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 31 2009, 09:14 P...   Jul 31 2009, 08:22 PM
- - nprev   Definite metallic glints apparent as well in this ...   Jul 31 2009, 08:27 PM
- - Shaka   The spheres on BI seem to be more uniformly small ...   Jul 31 2009, 08:39 PM
- - nprev   Yeah, I noticed the apparent blueberry size constr...   Jul 31 2009, 08:56 PM
- - Ant103   And here is the color views The anaglyph (dedic...   Aug 1 2009, 01:12 AM
- - nprev   Ant, what can I say but WOW!!!! Fa...   Aug 1 2009, 01:22 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Awesome imagery, Ant103. Thanks. QUOTE (SFJCod...   Aug 1 2009, 04:12 AM
- - john_s   Beautiful! I'm struck by the contrast bet...   Aug 1 2009, 02:50 PM
- - MarkG   Block Island Ramblings... Well, Block Island seems...   Aug 1 2009, 03:34 PM
|- - SFJCody   QUOTE (MarkG @ Aug 1 2009, 04:34 PM) The ...   Aug 1 2009, 05:01 PM
- - centsworth_II   Block Island seems to be sitting on the flat, rock...   Aug 1 2009, 03:57 PM
|- - Fran Ontanaya   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 1 2009, 05:57 ...   Aug 1 2009, 05:27 PM
|- - ilbasso   QUOTE (Fran Ontanaya @ Aug 1 2009, 01:27 ...   Aug 1 2009, 08:35 PM
- - dvandorn   If BI has been eroded by chemical means, is that n...   Aug 1 2009, 05:14 PM
- - glennwsmith   Stu, thanks for the great review of Rover meteorit...   Aug 1 2009, 05:43 PM
- - JayB   BI is very cool...but now we're here I'm w...   Aug 1 2009, 06:44 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (JayB @ Aug 1 2009, 07:44 PM) BI is...   Aug 1 2009, 08:55 PM
- - Shaka   Ilbasso, Antarctic meteorites mostly r...   Aug 1 2009, 09:41 PM
- - Stu   Thanks Ant, great work! I missed the new BI pi...   Aug 1 2009, 10:01 PM
- - Stu   ... oh, and if you thought the "Yeti" go...   Aug 1 2009, 10:05 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   IMHO, this is one of the most important finds for ...   Aug 1 2009, 11:10 PM
- - Shaka   Imaginative, to be sure, though I can't say I...   Aug 2 2009, 01:03 AM
- - Hungry4info   I don't suppose wind could have blown blueberr...   Aug 2 2009, 01:41 AM
- - alan   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 1 2009, 10:57 ...   Aug 2 2009, 01:51 AM
- - CosmicRocker   It's interesting to see how differently people...   Aug 2 2009, 05:13 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Aug 1 2009, 08:41 PM...   Aug 2 2009, 08:25 AM
- - Stu   Fascinating...   Aug 2 2009, 09:02 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Combine the fact that the axis of Mars has shifted...   Aug 2 2009, 09:05 AM
- - nprev   Sweet anaglyph, Stu! BI is captivating, visua...   Aug 2 2009, 09:33 AM
- - Stu   Glad you liked the 3D view This really is a fas...   Aug 2 2009, 09:40 AM
- - remcook   Very interesting object! And pretty too! W...   Aug 2 2009, 10:58 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (remcook @ Aug 2 2009, 11:58 AM) Wh...   Aug 2 2009, 02:15 PM
- - Ant103   Yeah, very good anaglyph Stu . Here is an other v...   Aug 2 2009, 11:36 AM
- - serpens   Could Block Island be a mesosiderite (stony iron m...   Aug 2 2009, 12:26 PM
|- - tfisher   As the block island meteorite seems very similar t...   Aug 2 2009, 12:57 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Marsisimportant: "The simplest explanation i...   Aug 2 2009, 01:20 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 2 2009, 09:20 AM...   Aug 2 2009, 01:39 PM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 2 2009, 01:39 ...   Aug 2 2009, 01:51 PM
- - glennwsmith   tfisher, thanks for the link to the Lunar and Plan...   Aug 2 2009, 03:37 PM
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