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imran
post Sep 24 2005, 04:23 PM
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This NASA Discovery mission is to be launched in June 2008 and will search for Earth-size and smaller planets. Launch was originally scheduled in 2007 but delayed by 8 months due to "funding constraints".

Here's the official web site:
http://www.kepler.arc.nasa.gov/
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post Aug 7 2009, 02:44 PM
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I'm extremely excited. But there's no way to detect the composition of the atmosphere, right?
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post Aug 7 2009, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Aug 7 2009, 06:44 AM) *
But there's no way to detect the composition of the atmosphere, right?

That came up in the press conference, and the answer is that Kepler can't do that, but some of the future missions being proposed would be able to.

By the way, in case anyone missed it, this is what a Jovian planet looks like when you have four transits to work with. Had this been Earth and the Sun, the transit (the big drop) would have been about 2/3 the depth of the occultation (the little drop). So, yes, Earth-like planets should be detectable, but it's going to be close.

Something else interesting from the conference and some of the links was that the light curves of the variable stars are often unlike anything in the literature. Apparently the atmospheric noise has been hiding significant behavior. This complicates finding planets, of course, since their models for spotting variable stars have to be reworked.

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ustrax's couple writeups were extremely interesting.

I thought it was cool that the warm Spitzer was mentioned as an observatory likely to follow up on new discoveries. I love it when old missions come in handy.
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QUOTE (stevesliva @ Aug 7 2009, 10:45 AM) *
ustrax's couple writeups were extremely interesting.


I have some questions, if anyone can answer them.

1. Kepler's mission is only 3.5 years, barely enough time to confirm it's own initial discoveries. It sounds likely that the mission can be extended, so what is the expected longevity of the mission (assuming funding is not the problem)?

2. From the mission website: "Expected Results:

From transits of terrestrial planets in one year orbits:

About 50 planets if most are the same size as Earth (R~1.0 Re) and none larger,
About 185 planets if most have a size of R~1.3 Re,
About 640 planets if most have a size of R~2.2 Re,
About 12% with two or more planets per system.
"

-- would these expected numbers scale linearly with mission extensions (i.e. would another 4 years of observing double these numbers)? Or is Kepler's field of view fixed to one region, so the sample set is difficult to change, and if this is the case, would most new planets found be longer orbital periods?

3. "Stellar evolution models are used to estimate the mass, radius and metalicity of the parent star"
-- how reliable are these models? Is there any way to directly determine these values, or does it require an instrument like the Terrestrial Planet Finder?

4. For gas giants found within a habital zone of the star, would it be possible to search for large moons with either Kepler or astrometry of the gas giant using ground-based instruments?
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- imran   Kepler Mission   Sep 24 2005, 04:23 PM
- - Gladstoner   .   Jul 8 2009, 08:12 PM
- - siravan   latest update http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/k...   Jul 24 2009, 12:29 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Sadly, this latest "update" tells us not...   Jul 24 2009, 04:18 AM
- - Gsnorgathon   Patience, Grasshopper. (And no more safing events ...   Jul 24 2009, 05:56 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Thank you, wise and quiet neighbor. :-) Perhaps I...   Jul 24 2009, 11:27 PM
- - Gsnorgathon   Hey - I totally understand the impatience. I think...   Jul 27 2009, 04:43 PM
- - belleraphon1   Yes, patience is a necessary commodity here. I do ...   Jul 28 2009, 05:03 PM
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|- - siravan   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 1 2009, 01:05 P...   Aug 2 2009, 02:39 AM
- - Syrinx   Well this press conference is certainly unexpected...   Aug 2 2009, 07:10 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Syrinx @ Aug 2 2009, 08:10 AM) May...   Aug 3 2009, 02:56 PM
- - Byran   http://nexsci.caltech.edu/missions/KeckSol...l-cur...   Aug 2 2009, 01:28 PM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (Byran @ Aug 2 2009, 07:28 AM) My f...   Aug 2 2009, 01:52 PM
|- - Syrinx   QUOTE (Byran @ Aug 2 2009, 06:28 AM) Boru...   Aug 2 2009, 11:55 PM
|- - Byran   QUOTE (Syrinx @ Aug 3 2009, 06:25 AM) Wha...   Aug 3 2009, 07:03 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Yeah, it makes sense that they'd be announcing...   Aug 2 2009, 02:50 PM
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- - Sunspot   Well I did just receive this in another email ...   Aug 3 2009, 03:45 PM
- - Byran   http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090803/pl_u...scien...   Aug 3 2009, 05:49 PM
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|- - Stu   QUOTE (ustrax @ Aug 4 2009, 05:33 PM) Tha...   Aug 4 2009, 05:33 PM
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- - hendric   Kepler is using a defocused star image, right? Is...   Aug 7 2009, 08:21 PM
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- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (tasp @ Aug 19 2009, 05:16 AM) . . ...   Aug 20 2009, 12:16 PM
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