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post May 11 2007, 05:13 PM
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ASA Updates Plans for Hubble 'Ring Of Dark Matter' Briefing

GREENBELT, Md. - NASA will hold a media teleconference at 1 p.m. EDT on May 15 to discuss the strongest evidence to date that dark matter exists. This evidence was found in a ghostly ring of dark matter in the cluster CL0024+17, discovered using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. The ring is the first detection of dark matter with a unique structure different from the distribution of both the galaxies and the hot gas in the cluster. The discovery will be featured in the June 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal.
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post Mar 11 2010, 05:42 AM
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Just to give a taste of how (some) physicists are viewing this idea, here are some extracts from some of the involved papers:

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Notes Concerning "On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton" by E. Verlinde -- Jarmo Mäkelä

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If the idea of gravity as an emergent effect, rather than as a fundamental force turns out to be correct, we may currently be in a somewhat similar position as were the founders of quantum mechanics and atomic physics about 100 years ago. Instead of attempting to understand the microstructure of matter, however, we should, in this time, attempt to understand the microstructure of spacetime itself.


The Coulomb Force as an Entropic Force -- Tower Wang

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If one accepts the holographic principle as well as our generalizations and reinterpretations, then the Coulomb's law, the Poisson's equation and the Maxwell's equations can be derived smoothly. Our attempt can be regarded as a new way to unify the electromagnetic force with gravity, from the entropic origin.


Gravity from the Entropy of Light -- Alessandro Pesci:

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This suggests a deeper description of what we have discussed. Indeed, holography can be stated to mean that the allowed number of elementary bits of information in layers per unit bit of thickness, at given sum of the energy per bit and pressure, is limited (by an actual value). To the extent that concepts like bit of information, energy associated with a bit and pressure of a collection of bits can be regarded as primeval and, as such, meaningful even in absence of space, holography is pre-existing to space. In this perspective, when space is introduced as the information on ‘where’ information is, the energy in the bit should spread to keep unchanged the elementary amount of information for the bit, and this would be quantum mechanics. When expressed in terms of this space of information, holography would then become the metric theory which describes gravity.


Newtonian Gravity in Loop Quantum Gravity -- Lee Smolin

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The idea that the unification of quantum theory with gravity is essentially thermodynamic has been on the table since the discovery of the laws of black hole thermodynamics and Bekenstein’s discovery of black hole entropy. The discoveries of the Unruh temperature and Hawking radiation strengthened the reason for hoping for a deep relationship between gravity, quantum physics and thermodynamics.

Very early in this history, Bekenstein hypothesized that the entropy of any isolated system is bounded by its area. In 1994 ’t Hooft extended this to the bold conjecture that the degrees of freedom needed to describe an isolated system in nature can be considered to live on a two-surface surrounding the region, with the number of degrees of freedom finite and proportional to the area in Planck units. He called this the holographic principle and since then we have come to call any application of the relationship between area and entropy as “holographic.” As developed by Susskind and then Maldacena and many others this led, in the context of string theory and supersymmetric quantum gauge theory, to the AdS/CFT correspondence.

The furthest realization of this idea to date, in the context of gravitational theory, is the discovery by Jacobson that the Einstein equations can be derived from the laws of thermodynamics, assuming only that Bekenstein’s proportionality between area and entropy is universal. This idea has been studied also by Padmanabhan and others, but there has remained the feeling that there was a further discovery, just over the horizon.

In a remarkable paper, Erik Verlinde has provided the next step, which is a non-relativistic analogue of Jacobson’s argument, in which he derives Newton’s law of gravity from thermodynamics plus the relationship between area and entropy. A different argument to the same conclusion has also been provided by Padmanabhan.
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- PhilCo126   HST and 'dark matter'   May 11 2007, 05:13 PM
- - Littlebit   A dark matter ring? How/why would DM be corraled i...   May 11 2007, 05:35 PM
- - Mongo   Colour me sceptical on this one -- which should be...   May 11 2007, 11:04 PM
- - Tman   From the Hubble site http://hubblesite.org/newscen...   May 17 2007, 07:53 AM
- - Mongo   The wedding ring of MOND and non-exotic dark matte...   Jun 12 2007, 01:41 AM
- - nprev   I'm with you, man. Dark matter has always been...   Jun 12 2007, 03:46 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 11 2007, 10:46 PM) ......   Jun 12 2007, 04:22 AM
- - Mongo   Using globular clusters to test gravity in the wea...   Jul 18 2007, 01:11 PM
- - nprev   MOND + neutrino mass is looking more and more plau...   Jul 18 2007, 02:40 PM
- - Mongo   Sorry to resurrect this long-dead thread, but a pa...   Mar 11 2010, 03:36 AM
- - Explorer1   So in layman's terms, this is a potential ...   Mar 11 2010, 04:46 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Mar 10 2010, 08:46 PM)...   Mar 11 2010, 05:00 AM
- - Mongo   Just to give a taste of how (some) physicists are ...   Mar 11 2010, 05:42 AM
- - Mongo   Part 2 of 2 Modified gravity emerging from thermo...   Mar 11 2010, 05:46 AM
- - nprev   There's definitely a deterministic flavor to t...   Mar 11 2010, 05:47 AM
- - stevesliva   I find it interesting that physicists have been co...   Mar 11 2010, 05:08 PM
- - Mongo   From Inertia Theory -- Paul Davies: QUOTE Fill a ...   Mar 11 2010, 05:37 PM
- - djellison   Is it just me, or is this a catastrophically screw...   Mar 11 2010, 05:47 PM
|- - Mongo   That was my first thought too, but how does the wa...   Mar 11 2010, 06:04 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Mongo @ Mar 11 2010, 01:04 PM) Ine...   Mar 11 2010, 07:13 PM
- - djellison   So it'snot a question about a bucket at all, i...   Mar 11 2010, 06:25 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 11 2010, 01:25 PM)...   Mar 11 2010, 06:46 PM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 11 2010, 10:25 AM)...   Mar 11 2010, 10:25 PM
|- - Marz   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 11 2010, 04:2...   Mar 11 2010, 10:56 PM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (Marz @ Mar 11 2010, 11:56 PM) Mean...   Mar 12 2010, 12:27 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (Marz @ Mar 11 2010, 10:56 PM) lol ...   Mar 12 2010, 11:05 AM
- - Shaka   If Earth were in an otherwise empty Universe, why ...   Mar 11 2010, 06:47 PM
- - Mongo   The following is just my own understanding of what...   Mar 11 2010, 07:30 PM
- - monty python   I'm really loving this thread, but for some re...   Mar 12 2010, 06:58 AM
- - SteveM   I've noticed that none of the arXiv papers are...   Apr 4 2010, 02:13 PM
- - Floyd   Mongo "As the example stated, if the Earth we...   Apr 4 2010, 03:38 PM
- - Greg Hullender   That begs the question, Floyd. --Greg   Apr 4 2010, 04:23 PM
- - stevesliva   The NY Times covers Verlinde, and does the newspap...   Jul 13 2010, 12:46 AM
|- - AndyG   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Jul 13 2010, 01:46 AM...   Jul 13 2010, 12:08 PM
- - nprev   No, it's not. But I liked the cartoon.   Jul 13 2010, 01:54 AM
- - Hungry4info   If I'm not mistaken, "order", in ref...   Jul 13 2010, 01:41 PM
|- - Juramike   Entropy would be maximum for an evenly diffused bu...   Jul 13 2010, 01:55 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Mike: if any of the separated atoms/particles can ...   Jul 13 2010, 02:17 PM
|- - Juramike   Full inline quote removed - Mike, you should know ...   Jul 13 2010, 03:05 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Which means the maximum entropy ought to be when a...   Jul 13 2010, 08:04 PM
- - stevesliva   Experiments would seem to indicate gravity is not ...   Aug 24 2011, 10:57 PM
- - nprev   Actually, seems that interpretation of the theorie...   Aug 25 2011, 12:18 AM
- - Mongo   This paper just came out on arXiv, in response to ...   Sep 14 2011, 12:56 AM
- - Mongo   No surprise at all to me. Maybe now the Dark Matt...   Apr 19 2012, 10:37 PM
- - Mongo   Dark Matter gone missing in many places: a crisis ...   Apr 20 2012, 03:51 PM
- - Mongo   Beating an increasingly dead horse here: Vast Str...   Apr 25 2012, 09:26 PM
- - stevesliva   Does make you wonder if "dark matter" wi...   Apr 26 2012, 02:33 AM
- - Mongo   The Bullet Cluster as Evidence against Dark Matter...   Jan 27 2017, 08:31 PM
- - Gerald   I'd think, the vast majority of astrophysicist...   Jan 28 2017, 03:44 AM
- - fredk   I agree with Gerald. I'm familiar with the bl...   Jan 28 2017, 06:24 AM


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