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Has Odyssey Imaged Phobos?
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post Aug 16 2005, 02:13 AM
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I can't seam to find any images done on Phobos by Odyssey?

Was there any planned?
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post Aug 16 2005, 11:52 AM
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Deimos just plains looks *STRANGE*, too. It's all rounded, with a very active regolith creaping downhill away from topographic highs making bright streaks and burying craters. All the asteroids we've looked at, including Ida's tiny moon Dactyl (very few things so far Deimos' size) don't remotely look like Deimos.

We have very limited info on their surface composition. Black.. minimal or zero well defined spectral features in not very good data from Earth and Phobos 2 and the like. And I don't trust the analysis of what little we have. "Space Weathering" clearly modifies asteroid spectral features, much as it does lunar regolith specta. Mature regolith has a much less structured and interpretable spectrum compared with fresh rayed crater ejecta and the like.

Phobos and Deimos are both inside Mars' gravity well. Ejecta from them may have escape velocity from their local gravity, but not readily from Mars gravity. A much larger fraction of their ejecta (for their size) is probably recaptured than for comparable size asteroids... the resulting surface material may be a very mature regolith indeed. One negative result is that there is no so-far detectable water-of-hydration in Phobos spectra, unlike low-temperature carbonaceous chondrite specta. That's been used to rule out a C2 or C2 composition in captured-body scenarios, but in a fully mature regolity, that spectal feature may be totally obliterated.

I'd really like to get sample return from both of them. Enough sample from Phobos might contain Deimos, as well as Martian ejecta. If Deimos's weirdness is due to composition difference, not some mechanical property difference or orbital-environment difference, we'd likely be able to spot Deimos grains in Phobos dirt as "non-phobos, non-mars"
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- Decepticon   Has Odyssey Imaged Phobos?   Aug 16 2005, 02:13 AM
- - um3k   I don't think so.   Aug 16 2005, 03:06 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I asked the Odyssey people if they were going to d...   Aug 16 2005, 03:14 AM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 15 2005, 10:14 PM).....   Aug 16 2005, 06:57 AM
|- - Decepticon   QUOTE The MRO chaps said specifically no science d...   Aug 16 2005, 12:08 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   It will be very interesting to see what Mars Expre...   Aug 16 2005, 04:35 AM
- - djellison   The MRO chaps said specifically no science during ...   Aug 16 2005, 08:07 AM
- - edstrick   Deimos just plains looks *STRANGE*, too. It's...   Aug 16 2005, 11:52 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I'm very embarrassed to have forgotten to ment...   Aug 16 2005, 06:32 PM
- - RNeuhaus   MRO will take pictures on Phobos (big and closer) ...   Aug 16 2005, 06:53 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 16 2005, 01:53 PM)MRO w...   Aug 16 2005, 07:02 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Resurrecting a very ancient thread here - because ...   Oct 9 2017, 03:55 PM
- - stevesliva   More news on Odyssey and Phobos: https://www.jpl.n...   May 10 2019, 08:33 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I made a couple of images from the Odyssey data by...   May 12 2019, 05:52 PM
- - Phil Stooke   https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9514/nasa-orbite...f-ma...   Nov 29 2023, 06:37 PM
- - stevesliva   Yes Phil but your stack doesn't show Phobos mo...   Nov 29 2023, 08:28 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I'm not really clever enough to do that sort o...   Nov 29 2023, 09:01 PM
- - StargazeInWonder   Wow, what an old thread. Seeing that it began just...   Dec 13 2023, 01:27 PM


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