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East side of Cape York, Sol 3040 - 3056
Tesheiner
post Aug 12 2012, 09:57 PM
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Well, my impression is that the trek south, crossing by the east side of Cape York, has started.
Here's a crude navcam mosaic taken on sol 3040. Don't you think this side of the planet is also beautiful?
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neorobo
post Aug 23 2012, 03:56 AM
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Forgive me if this has already been posted (I did a quick search but can't seem to track down the specific posts), but I have a question about the glare. Has there been any publications or information NASA has published about the effects of glare on the visual odometry for Opportunity or Spirit? Has this been much of an issue on Mars for MER visodom? I have an understanding why glare affects feature tracking, I'm more interested in how it has affected Oppy or Spirit specifically. I'm in the process of writing a research proposal and this information would be very valuable. Even if it's just something qualitative to get the wheels turning, no pun intended wink.gif Thanks.

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post Aug 23 2012, 06:22 AM
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I have never seen any VO image that was affected by glare from either rover. And tosol VO failure is not due to glare either. Typically we point the cameras down at about 30 deg below the horizon to
have a good view of the tracks. With such a low elevation angle it is difficult to have glare. Even Autonav pointing is pretty low as well. Here, as I was saying earlier, there were no features to track (remember the on-board processing uses 256x256 pixel images) and there were no track markings on the ground. Even if we had pointed teh NAVCAMs straight down it would have been likely that VO would have failed.

The glare in the post-drive NAVCAMs is mostly due to the dust deposition on the lens. Post drive NAVs are usually taken at -17 deg elevation and in early afternoon. Leave a digital camera for 8+ years in the desert, lens cap off, then try to take a picture late in the afternoon while pointing the camera at the horizon to the West. Assuming the shutter release still works after 8 years, that is. laugh.gif

One of the optical engineers (Reg Wilson) published a paper on the effects of dust deposits on the lens and CCD sensor. I don't have a reference, but if you look up Reg Wilson on the JPL web site very likely he has that paper listed.

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post Aug 24 2012, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 23 2012, 02:22 AM) *
I have never seen any VO image that was affected by glare from either rover. And tosol VO failure is not due to glare either. Typically we point the cameras down at about 30 deg below the horizon to
have a good view of the tracks. With such a low elevation angle it is difficult to have glare. Even Autonav pointing is pretty low as well. Here, as I was saying earlier, there were no features to track (remember the on-board processing uses 256x256 pixel images) and there were no track markings on the ground. Even if we had pointed teh NAVCAMs straight down it would have been likely that VO would have failed.

The glare in the post-drive NAVCAMs is mostly due to the dust deposition on the lens. Post drive NAVs are usually taken at -17 deg elevation and in early afternoon. Leave a digital camera for 8+ years in the desert, lens cap off, then try to take a picture late in the afternoon while pointing the camera at the horizon to the West. Assuming the shutter release still works after 8 years, that is. laugh.gif

One of the optical engineers (Reg Wilson) published a paper on the effects of dust deposits on the lens and CCD sensor. I don't have a reference, but if you look up Reg Wilson on the JPL web site very likely he has that paper listed.

Paolo


Thanks for the reply Paolo, very useful information. I wonder, when operating the rover are lighting conditions a constraint on the time period it may drive (I'd think at some point the images become too dark to operate visual odometry properly), or if other things restrict it before it comes to that, like power?

Very interesting to see that the rover is barely leaving any tracks! I love that 8+ years later Opportunity is still amazing us.

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post Aug 24 2012, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (neorobo @ Aug 24 2012, 04:01 AM) *
Thanks for the reply Paolo, very useful information. I wonder, when operating the rover are lighting conditions a constraint on the time period it may drive (I'd think at some point the images become too dark to operate visual odometry properly), or if other things restrict it before it comes to that, like power?

Very interesting to see that the rover is barely leaving any tracks! I love that 8+ years later Opportunity is still amazing us.

Rob


Lighting conditions have never been an issue for driving as we typically try to drive "blind" (no VO or Autonav). Lighting conditions are usually always analyzed when using the MI as we try to avoid frames where part of the target is in direct sunlight and part is in shadow. If it is required, we sometimes change the IDD configuration to use a different wrist position and very rarely we have moved teh time when the IDD sequence begins to have more favorable Sun position. This is what happened so far but I guess that our current position it might not be a bad idea to think about lighting conditions for driving as well.

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- Tesheiner   East side of Cape York   Aug 12 2012, 09:57 PM
- - Phil Stooke   That looks like the next little crater south of th...   Aug 12 2012, 10:01 PM
- - Tesheiner   Exactly!   Aug 12 2012, 10:06 PM
- - climber   We're about 800m or half a mile (as Oppy flies...   Aug 13 2012, 12:45 PM
- - Tesheiner   Here's the "drive direction" pancam ...   Aug 13 2012, 12:51 PM
|- - SFJCody   Cape York seems somehow... diminished. The flashin...   Aug 13 2012, 12:56 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Aug 13 2012, 12:56 PM) C...   Aug 13 2012, 02:17 PM
- - climber   Re drive direction. I don't know if they are l...   Aug 13 2012, 01:32 PM
- - Stu   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Aug 13 2012, 01:56 PM) C...   Aug 13 2012, 06:19 PM
|- - SFJCody   QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 14 2012, 04:19 AM) Then,...   Aug 13 2012, 10:06 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Then too, Opportunity has a fair chance to spot cl...   Aug 13 2012, 06:25 PM
- - stevesliva   ^ Yeah! I actually didn't think "dim...   Aug 13 2012, 06:26 PM
- - fredk   And that's a monster-sized MER landing ellipse...   Aug 14 2012, 02:04 AM
|- - Joffan   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 13 2012, 07:04 PM) I l...   Aug 14 2012, 07:52 PM
- - Errol Coder   The recent drives seem to really bring out the cra...   Aug 14 2012, 02:20 AM
- - fredk   It looks like a drive SSE to the next little crate...   Aug 14 2012, 10:41 PM
- - Phil Stooke   That's a nice one... do we have names for thes...   Aug 14 2012, 11:39 PM
- - Tesheiner   The one spot on sol 3040 was named "São Rafae...   Aug 15 2012, 08:25 AM
- - fredk   Our first look at the east-facing outcrops on the ...   Aug 16 2012, 12:07 AM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 15 2012, 05:07 PM) Our...   Aug 16 2012, 02:39 AM
|- - walfy   A bit more of a drop off than I expected. And tha...   Aug 16 2012, 04:29 AM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (walfy @ Aug 16 2012, 05:29 AM) A b...   Aug 16 2012, 02:34 PM
- - Tesheiner   Some more info about the craters in the vicinity. ...   Aug 16 2012, 08:28 AM
- - Julius   I recall from CRISM data that there should be phyl...   Aug 16 2012, 04:37 PM
- - fredk   The crism data is pretty low resolution, so the es...   Aug 16 2012, 05:10 PM
|- - Julius   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 16 2012, 06:10 PM) The...   Aug 16 2012, 05:22 PM
|- - marsophile   QUOTE (Julius @ Aug 16 2012, 09:22 AM) a ...   Aug 16 2012, 11:24 PM
- - Stu   Colour view of the east-facing outcrops... Go g...   Aug 16 2012, 05:26 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 16 2012, 10:26 AM) Colou...   Aug 17 2012, 11:10 PM
- - brellis   Wow, it's going to get very interesting if Cur...   Aug 16 2012, 09:07 PM
- - PDP8E   Here are some rocky outcrops on Cape York (Sol 304...   Aug 17 2012, 02:50 AM
- - Bill Harris   That would be my guess, too. I've seen a coupl...   Aug 17 2012, 05:32 AM
- - fredk   The east side of CY is turning out to be very scen...   Aug 17 2012, 05:18 PM
- - Stu   Wow, thanks Paolo, great to know that!   Aug 17 2012, 11:43 PM
- - TheAnt   I'd say thank you for those images also. I do ...   Aug 18 2012, 02:10 PM
- - fredk   Maybe a meteorite? http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mar...   Aug 19 2012, 04:37 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 19 2012, 06:37 AM) May...   Aug 19 2012, 09:05 AM
||- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (climber @ Aug 19 2012, 11:05 AM) ....   Aug 19 2012, 09:44 AM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 19 2012, 06:37 AM) May...   Aug 19 2012, 05:10 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Aug 19 2012, 10:10 AM)...   Aug 19 2012, 07:44 PM
|- - MoreInput   Added a little more drama by rotating Tesheiners b...   Aug 19 2012, 08:41 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (MoreInput @ Aug 19 2012, 08:41 PM)...   Aug 20 2012, 02:21 PM
- - nprev   Maybe. Could be a whole lot of other more mundane ...   Aug 19 2012, 04:49 AM
- - Stu   QUOTE (climber @ Aug 19 2012, 10:05 AM) H...   Aug 19 2012, 09:41 AM
- - Burmese   Article on Opportunity, including pic of Ashley St...   Aug 20 2012, 12:26 PM
- - NickF   Here's the L2 panorama from sol 3044.   Aug 21 2012, 02:55 AM
|- - SFJCody   A drive sol on 3049. If this is another 100m+er th...   Aug 22 2012, 12:19 AM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Aug 22 2012, 02:19 AM) A...   Aug 22 2012, 04:18 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Aug 22 2012, 08:18 AM)...   Aug 22 2012, 04:42 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 22 2012, 04:42 P...   Aug 22 2012, 05:42 PM
- - Antonb   Now that Oppy is rolling again, she's getting ...   Aug 22 2012, 12:21 PM
|- - Antonb   QUOTE (Antonb @ Aug 22 2012, 01:21 PM) Th...   Aug 22 2012, 12:39 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Antonb @ Aug 22 2012, 08:39 AM) By...   Aug 22 2012, 01:14 PM
|- - Antonb   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 22 2012, 02:14...   Aug 22 2012, 01:27 PM
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|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Aug 22 2012, 09:10 AM)...   Aug 22 2012, 07:27 PM
- - neorobo   Forgive me if this has already been posted (I did ...   Aug 23 2012, 03:56 AM
|- - RoverDriver   I have never seen any VO image that was affected b...   Aug 23 2012, 06:22 AM
|- - neorobo   QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 23 2012, 02:22 A...   Aug 24 2012, 12:01 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (neorobo @ Aug 24 2012, 04:01 AM) T...   Aug 24 2012, 03:54 PM
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|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 23 2012, 02:44 ...   Aug 23 2012, 02:05 PM
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|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (marsophile @ Aug 23 2012, 07:34 AM...   Aug 23 2012, 06:05 PM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (marsophile @ Aug 23 2012, 10:34 AM...   Aug 24 2012, 10:51 AM
|- - belleraphon1   QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 24 2012, 05:51 ...   Aug 24 2012, 02:25 PM
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- - fredk   This is another cool view. And we're starting...   Aug 23 2012, 05:55 PM
- - stevesliva   The yellow forum had the unfortunate tendency to d...   Aug 23 2012, 09:14 PM
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|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 24 2012, 10:46 AM) ......   Aug 24 2012, 02:53 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 24 2012, 07:46 AM) So ...   Aug 24 2012, 06:18 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 24 2012, 10:18 AM)...   Aug 27 2012, 04:07 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 27 2012, 06:07 P...   Aug 27 2012, 07:52 PM
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- - Oersted   Isn´t Horton a member of this forum too? I´d love ...   Aug 27 2012, 10:51 AM
- - fredk   Well, here we are at about the midpoint down CY, a...   Aug 27 2012, 05:19 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Finally we may have one big enough for a brushing....   Aug 27 2012, 05:51 PM
- - Stu   Is that "Knobby's Head" starting to ...   Aug 27 2012, 06:43 PM
- - Tesheiner   I think so! Here's my take on the navcam...   Aug 27 2012, 06:47 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Yep, looks like it is. Phil   Aug 27 2012, 06:47 PM
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|- - fredk   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Aug 29 2012, 11:55 AM)...   Aug 29 2012, 01:50 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 29 2012, 02:50 PM) I...   Aug 29 2012, 02:05 PM
||- - walfy   The rock from sol 3049 makes for a nice 3D.   Aug 29 2012, 08:28 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 29 2012, 03:50 PM) Tho...   Aug 29 2012, 09:12 PM
- - dvandorn   Just have a curiosity (small C) -- if we do get to...   Aug 29 2012, 10:17 PM
|- - marsophile   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 29 2012, 02:17 PM) ...   Aug 30 2012, 12:40 AM
- - fredk   After the attempt at a looooong MB integration at ...   Aug 29 2012, 11:27 PM
- - Eutectic   Tesheiner's map from post #89 overlaid with th...   Aug 30 2012, 06:08 AM
- - Phil Stooke   The full set of filters in mutispectral images wil...   Aug 30 2012, 07:36 AM
- - Tesheiner   A 12m "bump" was executed on sol 3057. H...   Aug 30 2012, 12:13 PM
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