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James Tauber
post Aug 15 2012, 12:17 AM
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I recently built this:

http://jtauber.github.com/mars-clock/

It's a single web page with calculations being done live in Javascript.

It started off just as a way to calculate the LMST and LTST for Curiosity but it has a range of calculations for Mars overall from Allison and McEwen's 2000 paper.

Recently I've started adding explanations of each of the calculations including the formulas used.

It's been a huge learning experience for me and I'd appreciate any feedback, both in terms of experts correcting what I've done incorrectly and amateurs such as my self saying what they'd like elaboration on.


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fredk
post Aug 15 2012, 03:23 PM
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This is looking good, James. Your Oppy time agrees well with Lemmon's Oppy clock, which shows LMST. What is HLST?

Your Oppy clock differs from the MER filenames clock, but then that one shows LTST.
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James Tauber
post Aug 15 2012, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 15 2012, 11:23 AM) *
This is looking good, James. Your Oppy time agrees well with Lemmon's Oppy clock, which shows LMST. What is HLST?


HLST = Hybrid Local Solar Time (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timekeeping_on_Mars)

I first saw the term used on http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~lemmon/mars-tau-b.html (presumably the same Lemmon smile.gif )

QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 15 2012, 11:23 AM) *
Your Oppy clock differs from the MER filenames clock, but then that one shows LTST.


If HLST is in fact LMST (which Lemmon's Oppy clock suggests it is) then I should be able to add LTST easily (as I just need to add the equation of time)

Thanks!
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Deimos
post Sep 6 2012, 10:01 PM
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Can't sleep -- let's see if writing about time zones does it. :^) At least I'll clarify my sloppy use of "LMST".

Technically, I should have used HLST in the MER clocks, as I do on the tau page. LTST (local true solar time) is defined by 0:00 being local true midnight every day, with the length of a "second" (etc.) changing over the year due to the elliptical orbit (equation of time). LMST is a special case of what I call "time zone time". It has a fixed second (slightly longer than an SI second), and a fixed day (24-hour) duration that is equal to the average duration of the solar day. Once you define a meridian, you know the offset from any fixed reference time. In theory, LMST uses ones actual (local) meridian, thus it is a "solar time" that is both "local" and "mean". For MER, the actual meridian was dropped in favor of a nearby one that made LTST and planning time align during the 90-sol mission. Thus, "hybrid local solar time", HLST (not sure why they dropped "mean" and kept "local"--seems backwards). LMST is like being in the sweet spot of your time zone on Earth; HLST is like being somewhere else in your time zone. To me, that distinction is, philosophically, small. It is how you set your watch, not how fast your watch runs. If you use things like EDT or PST or CEST, you use types of HLST (even if that term is--rightly--not in general use).

In practice, I look at what NAIF says about the planning time[*] of the midnight immediately preceding landing, so I use a fixed time reference rather than a longitude. The MSL time reference is a suspiciously round number. So, I have suspected it is really an HLST (maybe just a "local-ish mean solar time"), but have never cared enough to ask or verify. I prefer to set my clock and move on. So I guess I do the mission clocks the way I use my watch on this planet--my airplane lands, they tell me what time it is; I never ask what longitude it is, and I don't adjust my watch as I "rove" until I hit a time zone line.

I'll put up a page for Curiosity ASAP (I run the clock on my laptop). The clock won't surprise anyone who has Mars24--but you can see the numbers & math in the javascript file. (The "tau" part will be content free, probably for a long time--at this stage for MER none of that was available.)

* I use planning time as a generic term that includes HLST, LMST, or whatever framework people use when scheduling activities. LTST may factor into our thinking, but planning time uses a fixed second. I don't even want to get into SCET or SCLK[**]--those are downstream of the activity planning process. (I find that very few people know when they are with respect to seconds past Jan 1, 2000, at any given time, but non-sarcastic rovers almost always do.)

** I guess I should add: Spacecraft Event Time in UTC; Spacecraft Clock.[***]

*** Oh my, I've got footnotes to my footnotes. Time to go.
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- James Tauber   Mars Clock   Aug 15 2012, 12:17 AM
- - Astro0   James, nice first post. Great contribution. This i...   Aug 15 2012, 01:16 AM
- - maschnitz   That's the great part of his work - you can ch...   Aug 15 2012, 03:40 AM
- - elakdawalla   This is fantastic. Useful and also quite pretty to...   Aug 15 2012, 04:47 AM
|- - James Tauber   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Aug 14 2012, 11:47 P...   Aug 15 2012, 09:07 AM
||- - James Tauber   QUOTE (James Tauber @ Aug 15 2012, 04:07 ...   Aug 15 2012, 10:02 AM
||- - James Tauber   QUOTE (James Tauber @ Aug 15 2012, 05:02 ...   Aug 15 2012, 10:32 AM
|- - James Tauber   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Aug 14 2012, 11:47 P...   Aug 15 2012, 10:47 AM
- - Gsnorgathon   I'm a big fan of separators to make it easier ...   Aug 15 2012, 06:29 AM
|- - James Tauber   QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Aug 15 2012, 01:29 A...   Aug 15 2012, 09:31 AM
- - fredk   This is looking good, James. Your Oppy time agree...   Aug 15 2012, 03:23 PM
|- - James Tauber   QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 15 2012, 11:23 AM) Thi...   Aug 15 2012, 07:06 PM
|- - James Tauber   I've added LTST for Opportunity but it disagre...   Aug 17 2012, 02:15 AM
||- - helvick   LTST caused Tman issues when he built that if I re...   Aug 17 2012, 05:51 AM
|- - Deimos   Can't sleep -- let's see if writing about ...   Sep 6 2012, 10:01 PM
- - elakdawalla   Awesome work! And well done with the explanati...   Aug 15 2012, 05:04 PM
- - Tman   Hi James, Haven't done much with scripts and ...   Aug 22 2012, 03:01 PM
- - Hal Fulton   QUOTE (James Tauber @ Aug 14 2012, 06:17 ...   Sep 6 2012, 08:04 PM
- - Tman   Thanks Marc for your clarifications. For Spacecra...   Sep 8 2012, 01:27 PM
- - arko   Great thread! I reprogrammed my TI Chronos wat...   May 3 2013, 09:53 PM


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