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Philae landing on the nucleus of Comet 67P C-G
vikingmars
post Sep 23 2014, 12:16 PM
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Now, it's time to open a new section devoted to the landing of the Philae lander itself on the nucleus of Comet 67P C-G.

Also to answer better the earlier post,
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...st&p=212943
and for your information, here is the quick summary (as a "pdf" file) of the events that are expected to occur during landing on the nucleus and after : it's the timeschedule on which we are working to set up our EPO event in Paris.
Attached File  Sequence_ATTERRISSAGE10_UMSF.pdf ( 263.81K ) Number of downloads: 4569

The landing itself should occur around November 11th.

We'll keep you informed smile.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 29 2014, 01:34 PM) *
There are several measures of surface roughness,


Thank you Gerald for all the good info!

QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 29 2014, 02:12 PM) *
Isn't an anaglyph enough? It is already aligned and I can extract images from it with StereoPhotoMaker.
http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/...ull_image_2.png


You can obviously build a disparity map from that image. (I made a shape-model of that very anaglyph a while back) but you will not know the actual height of anything unless you also know the camera positions. you get only relative heights.
you can download that old one from here if you like:
http://classic.syndicate.se/image/space/Landingsitemodel.zip

QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 29 2014, 02:15 PM) *
Is it available to the public?


The new one is much better. I have the camera positions and all that good stuff reverse enginnered so it is an absolute map. (it matches my Global shapemodel) will post it when it is more finalized.

QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 29 2014, 06:14 PM) *
What do you mean by "centre of rotation"? What point do you point the gravity vectors to?

I suppose that for these purposes, and without a mass distribution model, you could choose that point such that some average slope over the area of the plot is close to zero. Of course that may not be very accurately true.


I'm simply aiming my gravity vector towards the center of mass of the comet (the point it is rotating around)

I did some simple tests with my global shape model. I fill it with particles and let them gravitationally affect an external point. At the top of the comet the gravity vector is pointing mostly towards the center of gravity of the comet anyway. There are areas in the neck area that have gravity vectors pointing slightly of to one side or the other but it is not by a huge deal. (I'm assuming a homogeneous comet with no mass concentrations because of lack of data) I also did not factor in the spinning. (to much math for one night)



I'm so excited about the landing. I really hope it works out well. There is so much science to be gained if it works as planned.
I made my maps to try to get a feel for the chances. I think it looks really promising. There are very few really steep slopes in the area. And there are big areas of very few boulders. (at the scale of this picture)

About those flat dust plains. Is there any reason to fear that the dust would be very soft and that the lander would just sink?
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- vikingmars   Philae landing on the nucleus of Comet 67P C-G   Sep 23 2014, 12:16 PM
- - MarsInMyLifetime   The latest NavCam composite shows that the left (m...   Sep 27 2014, 01:54 AM
- - Phil Stooke   That idea of jets forming where two or more broad ...   Sep 27 2014, 03:12 AM
|- - MarsInMyLifetime   Thanks for the reminder, Phil. All very easy to vi...   Sep 27 2014, 04:28 AM
- - Paolo   Site J confirmed as the landing site: ESA confirms...   Oct 15 2014, 01:19 PM
|- - MahFL   It's not exactly flat is it ? Those cliffs hav...   Oct 15 2014, 01:44 PM
- - centsworth_II   On the left, the original ESA landing oval in whit...   Oct 15 2014, 03:56 PM
- - fredk   It's not clear these are landing error ellipse...   Oct 15 2014, 06:15 PM
- - SpaceScout   I have not seen this very high close up of the lan...   Oct 16 2014, 07:42 AM
- - Phil Stooke   http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/10/16/la...tes-f...   Oct 16 2014, 11:32 AM
|- - jhagen   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 16 2014, 04:32 A...   Oct 17 2014, 07:15 AM
- - fredk   Primary landing site in anaglyph stereo. There ar...   Oct 16 2014, 02:49 PM
- - fredk   And cross-eyed:   Oct 16 2014, 02:50 PM
- - fredk   And a better-aligned crop of a scarp, showing prec...   Oct 16 2014, 03:06 PM
- - climber   I'm wondering how far we'll see once on th...   Oct 16 2014, 03:25 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (climber @ Oct 16 2014, 04:25 PM) I...   Oct 17 2014, 11:15 AM
|- - katodomo   QUOTE (climber @ Oct 16 2014, 05:25 PM) h...   Oct 17 2014, 05:28 PM
- - vikingmars   For those interested to attend this historic land...   Oct 25 2014, 10:17 AM
|- - polaris   Bonjour Olivier ! Faut-il s'inscrire ? Mê...   Oct 25 2014, 12:48 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (polaris @ Oct 25 2014, 02:48 PM) B...   Oct 25 2014, 11:10 PM
|- - polaris   Many thanks, Olivier ! I'll be there, rig...   Oct 28 2014, 06:02 PM
- - dvandorn   As Curiosity demonstrated, though, it is quite pos...   Oct 28 2014, 03:22 PM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 28 2014, 04:22 PM) ...   Oct 28 2014, 04:05 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 28 2014, 08:05 AM) (...   Oct 28 2014, 04:36 PM
|- - DDAVIS   'An HD video 90 seconds long that, to be hones...   Oct 29 2014, 09:50 AM
- - Malmer   I made a slopemap of site J using my terrain-model...   Oct 29 2014, 12:44 AM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) I ...   Oct 29 2014, 10:15 AM
||- - Malmer   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 29 2014, 11:15 AM) I...   Oct 29 2014, 10:30 AM
||- - mcgyver   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 11:30 AM) Yo...   Oct 29 2014, 01:12 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) I ...   Oct 29 2014, 10:31 AM
||- - Malmer   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 29 2014, 11:31 AM...   Oct 29 2014, 12:29 PM
||- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:29 PM) Ha...   Oct 29 2014, 01:04 PM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) us...   Oct 29 2014, 01:15 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) (I...   Oct 29 2014, 05:14 PM
- - Malmer   And an anaglyph of J using the same terrainmodel. ...   Oct 29 2014, 12:47 AM
- - SpaceScout   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 01:44 AM) Cy...   Oct 29 2014, 09:13 AM
- - Malmer   Another surface feature map I made to try to under...   Oct 29 2014, 10:13 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 12:13 PM) I ...   Oct 29 2014, 12:34 PM
- - blake   Questions from an interested non-expert: I have r...   Oct 29 2014, 01:47 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (blake @ Oct 29 2014, 02:47 PM) Que...   Oct 29 2014, 02:02 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (blake @ Oct 29 2014, 03:47 PM) In ...   Oct 29 2014, 04:09 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 29 2014, 09:09 AM) S-...   Oct 29 2014, 05:42 PM
- - Hungry4info   Great new, close-up image of that smoothe area on ...   Oct 29 2014, 06:00 PM
- - Explorer1   If tweets are any evidence, we might be getting se...   Oct 29 2014, 06:35 PM
- - Malmer   QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 29 2014, 01:34 PM) Th...   Oct 29 2014, 08:56 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (Malmer @ Oct 29 2014, 09:56 PM) I...   Oct 30 2014, 02:05 AM
|- - Malmer   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 30 2014, 03:05 AM) A b...   Oct 30 2014, 09:49 AM
|- - Y Bar Ranch   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 29 2014, 09:05 PM) A b...   Nov 1 2014, 04:15 PM
- - ngunn   Sinking under its own weight is unlikely as it wil...   Oct 29 2014, 09:21 PM
- - djellison   It's not surface 'weight' that's t...   Oct 29 2014, 09:44 PM
|- - Malmer   QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 29 2014, 10:44 PM)...   Oct 29 2014, 11:04 PM
|- - PhilHorzempa   I agree with Doug about the force of contact with ...   Nov 1 2014, 04:57 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Nov 1 2014, 05:57 P...   Nov 1 2014, 05:59 PM
- - Norm Hartnett   Thank you for the wonderful image in http://www.un...   Oct 30 2014, 04:10 AM
- - centsworth_II   While awaiting more expert input, I would say the ...   Oct 30 2014, 05:17 AM
- - centsworth_II   Those "rocks" are probably not very dens...   Nov 1 2014, 06:03 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 1 2014, 07:03 ...   Nov 1 2014, 06:20 PM
|- - MahFL   Rosetta has been successfully moved to to the corr...   Nov 1 2014, 06:26 PM
- - centsworth_II   I don't believe the lander will sink. Brillia...   Nov 1 2014, 06:32 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   Just want to add some more details on why I think ...   Nov 1 2014, 07:55 PM
- - nprev   I think it's extremely unlikely--not only is t...   Nov 1 2014, 08:02 PM
- - Phil Stooke   How are the boulders supported? Is every last one...   Nov 1 2014, 09:59 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 1 2014, 09:59 PM...   Nov 3 2014, 04:19 PM
|- - MahFL   The landing site name is Agilkia Agilkia   Nov 4 2014, 02:47 PM
- - mcgyver   I think this picture deserves its own post in ths ...   Nov 3 2014, 08:49 AM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Nov 3 2014, 09:49 AM) I ...   Nov 3 2014, 09:06 AM
- - elakdawalla   I've started compiling a list of resources and...   Nov 4 2014, 05:56 PM
- - sittingduck   Has anyone yet considered images of Philae on the ...   Nov 5 2014, 07:07 PM
- - Explorer1   It will definitely be spotted, probably even bette...   Nov 5 2014, 07:09 PM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:09 PM) ...   Nov 6 2014, 05:50 PM
- - djellison   The math for figuring it out is very very simple. ...   Nov 6 2014, 06:21 PM
- - spacearch   Has anyone heard any information about an ADS mane...   Nov 6 2014, 06:33 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (spacearch @ Nov 6 2014, 08:33 PM) ...   Nov 6 2014, 09:03 PM
- - machi   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Nov 6 2014, 06:50 PM) I ...   Nov 6 2014, 06:50 PM
- - dvandorn   Anyone have any ideas if the ESA website will have...   Nov 7 2014, 05:45 AM
|- - katodomo   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 7 2014, 06:45 AM) A...   Nov 7 2014, 06:03 AM
- - Sacha Martinetti-Lévy   From the APOD winners of the September 15th, 2di7 ...   Nov 8 2014, 04:37 PM
- - brellis   Googling contingency plans, to no avail - is it po...   Nov 11 2014, 08:46 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (brellis @ Nov 11 2014, 08:46 PM) G...   Nov 11 2014, 08:59 PM
- - Gerald   If it lands without proper anchoring, but without ...   Nov 11 2014, 11:21 PM
- - Explorer1   According to one of the reporters, the thruster on...   Nov 12 2014, 06:42 AM
- - xflare   Im surprised they had a "GO" if the thru...   Nov 12 2014, 06:50 AM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (xflare @ Nov 12 2014, 12:50 AM) Im...   Nov 12 2014, 07:35 AM
- - elakdawalla   So is everybody in the press room, but the media u...   Nov 12 2014, 06:53 AM
- - Gerald   "We have to fully rely now on the harpoons...   Nov 12 2014, 06:55 AM
- - Gerald   "We've got the final go".   Nov 12 2014, 07:08 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 12 2014, 08:08 AM) ...   Nov 12 2014, 07:10 AM
- - xflare   So has the commanding to fire the thruster on land...   Nov 12 2014, 07:38 AM
- - Gerald   This has been considered. Since the surface proba...   Nov 12 2014, 08:06 AM
- - Harder   Hopefully the softness of the comet surface at the...   Nov 12 2014, 08:08 AM
- - Gerald   relaxed faces in the control room   Nov 12 2014, 09:04 AM
- - Explorer1   Separation confirmed! Time to catch a few zzz...   Nov 12 2014, 09:10 AM
- - Norm Hartnett   About 100 minutes to AOS for both lander and orbit...   Nov 12 2014, 09:19 AM
- - Gerald   applause! Just receiving regular telemetry d...   Nov 12 2014, 11:07 AM
- - Norm Hartnett   Yes, Yes, Yes!!! AOS! Confirm tel...   Nov 12 2014, 11:07 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   One thing I just remembered regarding possible bou...   Nov 12 2014, 11:07 AM
- - mcgyver   AOS confirmed.   Nov 12 2014, 11:08 AM
- - Norm Hartnett   Next up, data dump from both spacecraft in the nex...   Nov 12 2014, 11:13 AM
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