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remcook
post Jan 22 2014, 06:14 PM
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Paper out tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25849871
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post Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM
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Recent paper:
"THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLCANISM ON CERES DUE TO CRUSTAL THICKENING AND PRESSURIZATION OF A SUBSURFACE OCEAN."
http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2831.pdf

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interior evolution models for Ceres [e.g. 2-5] suggest that differentiation is likely, forming a layered structure with a rocky interior (possibly with a separated iron core), overlain by water and ice layers. Furthermore, these models suggest that there is sufficient heat available that a liquid water layer could survive under an icy exterior to the present day.

I can't yet understand where this heat come from. Does "[e.g. 2-5]" mean "references from [2] to [5]"?.


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Because ice takes up a larger volume than the equivalent mass of water, the freezing of liquid water onto the base of an icy shell will cause the shell to expand slightly and lead to tensile stress in the shell.
This also has the effect of increasing the pressure in the ocean, possibly to the point of driving liquid to the surface.

So the model suggests NOT that there's enough heating to create a water geyser (as I supposed), but there's a "squeezing" of the ocean by the ice crust.

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For Ceres (r= 475 km), which is intermediate in size between those bodies, we assume as our initial condition that the rocky core is ~300 km in radius with an overlying ocean and an icy shell 25 km thick. This corresponds to the state of Ceres 500 Myr after its formation in the models of [5]. In the models of [5], the shell thickens over the subsequent 4 Gyr at an approximately linear rate of ~20 km/Gyr.


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cracks can propagate to at least 200 km depth, which is about the maximum possible thickness of an ice shell for Ceres.

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for every 1 km of thickening of the shell, approximately 25 m of liquid could erupt over the entire surface


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The requirement that the ice layer behave like an intact, elastic shell could pose a problem, especially in the case where the tensile strength of ice is exceeded well before the ocean pressure is sufficient to drive material to the surface.
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post Mar 16 2015, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM) *
Recent paper:
"THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLCANISM ON CERES DUE TO CRUSTAL THICKENING AND PRESSURIZATION OF A SUBSURFACE OCEAN."
http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2831.pdf


Having read that paper I'll float (he, he, he.. geddit.. no?)an idea that may be rediculously naive: wouldn't a major impact be good way for a pre existing a crack partway through the crust (due to the mechanism proposed in the paper) to be opened up and form a vent? The paper mentions impacts as a source of fracturing sans tensile cracking, why not combine them?


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- remcook   Ceres Geology   Jan 22 2014, 06:14 PM
- - alan   Comet Piazzi ?   Jan 22 2014, 06:22 PM
- - Paolo   paper just out in Nature: Localized sources of wat...   Jan 22 2014, 06:32 PM
- - TheAnt   Thank you for the heads up. Hydroxyl. OH have pre...   Jan 22 2014, 07:45 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (alan @ Jan 22 2014, 12:22 PM) Come...   Jan 22 2014, 07:47 PM
- - Explorer1   Will anything be detectable from the camera at hig...   Jan 22 2014, 07:54 PM
- - nprev   Dunno if there will be anything visibly detectable...   Jan 22 2014, 08:01 PM
|- - AndyG   Nprev, the ESA article states: QUOTE Almost all o...   Jan 23 2014, 01:59 PM
- - vjkane   Could we get FedEx to deliver a mass spectrometer ...   Jan 22 2014, 08:14 PM
- - machi   6 kg/s sounds uninteresting but it's 518 tons ...   Jan 23 2014, 11:49 AM
- - nprev   I stand corrected, yet skeptical. Always happy to ...   Jan 23 2014, 02:35 PM
- - marsbug   Visibility will depend on the exact nature of the ...   Jan 23 2014, 03:53 PM
- - Cruzeiro do Sul   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jan 22 2014, 08:45 PM) .....   Jan 25 2014, 12:32 PM
|- - angel1801   According to the Wikipedia page, Ceres has an axia...   Jan 25 2014, 01:47 PM
|- - Doug M.   QUOTE (Cruzeiro do Sul @ Jan 25 2014, 02...   Jan 25 2014, 11:34 PM
- - Doug M.   An interesting question I haven't seen address...   Jan 25 2014, 11:44 PM
|- - dvandorn   Speaking of behaviors of processes over astronomic...   Jan 26 2014, 01:26 AM
- - TheAnt   @Doug M Previous to this observation, there had b...   Jan 26 2014, 12:04 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   Any chance of telling if these localized sources c...   Jan 26 2014, 07:13 PM
- - Explorer1   According to the map in the Nature paper, yes they...   Jan 26 2014, 07:35 PM
- - mcgyver   Map of supposed water vapour spots: http://www.na...   Mar 12 2015, 01:08 PM
- - Gladstoner   Corresponding features:   Mar 12 2015, 07:30 PM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 12 2015, 08:30 PM...   Mar 13 2015, 08:21 AM
- - mcgyver   Recent paper: "THE POTENTIAL FOR VOLCANISM ON...   Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 10:42 AM) I...   Mar 13 2015, 02:07 PM
|- - John Broughton   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 10:42 AM) R...   Mar 15 2015, 01:33 AM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 13 2015, 09:42 AM) R...   Mar 16 2015, 02:01 PM
- - TheAnt   Nice work there Gerald, really good even. I reall...   Mar 13 2015, 03:30 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 13 2015, 04:30 PM) I ...   Mar 13 2015, 03:59 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (Gerald @ Mar 13 2015, 04:59 PM) Th...   Mar 14 2015, 01:56 PM
- - Phil Stooke   "Final confirmation of volcanism should occur...   Mar 15 2015, 03:08 AM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Mar 15 2015, 04:08 A...   Mar 15 2015, 10:13 PM
- - mcgyver   Some ceres maps I found around can help studying t...   Mar 18 2015, 11:42 AM
- - mcgyver   And my 3d reconstruction of bright-spots crater (4...   Mar 18 2015, 12:47 PM
- - fredk   The DEM has got to be considered very preliminary ...   Mar 18 2015, 01:41 PM
|- - mcgyver   QUOTE (fredk @ Mar 18 2015, 02:41 PM) The...   Mar 18 2015, 03:07 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Mar 18 2015, 04:07 PM) H...   Mar 18 2015, 03:56 PM
- - Paolo   the first result when you google it en.m.wikipedia...   Mar 18 2015, 03:20 PM
- - mcgyver   Well, then the DEM data in that area are totally u...   Mar 19 2015, 08:46 AM
- - mcgyver   Nature article on Ceres about icy plume over brigh...   Mar 19 2015, 09:06 AM
- - elakdawalla   Great find on the DEM -- I'm really surprised ...   Mar 19 2015, 03:04 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 19 2015, 10:04 A...   Mar 19 2015, 04:23 PM
- - Phil Stooke   The basic rule is always going to be... don't ...   Mar 19 2015, 04:26 PM
- - JohnVV   QUOTE "If a DEM is calculated from image pair...   Mar 24 2015, 08:37 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (JohnVV @ Mar 24 2015, 03:37 PM) th...   Mar 25 2015, 05:17 PM
- - ngunn   From Science Daily website: https://www.sciencedai...   Mar 17 2016, 12:06 PM
- - TheAnt   Polar ice found on Ceres, if this ice is trapped t...   Dec 17 2016, 02:47 PM
- - antipode   Haze at Occator crater on dwarf planet Ceres ht...   Jan 23 2017, 02:57 AM
|- - Stefan   I examined the original haze claim and found it to...   Jan 31 2017, 04:33 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks for posting that here. Figure 15 on page 4...   Feb 1 2017, 10:37 AM
- - Habukaz   Some Dawn scientists think that the dome in the ce...   Mar 7 2017, 09:57 PM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Mar 7 2017, 09:57 PM) So...   Mar 10 2017, 02:46 AM
- - TheAnt   By studying the domes and bright areas at Occator ...   Mar 8 2017, 01:11 AM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 8 2017, 02:11 AM) By ...   Mar 10 2017, 12:31 PM
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- - Gladstoner   Ceres gravity map: https://photojournal.jpl.nasa....   Oct 26 2017, 05:16 PM
- - Explorer1   And following-up on that: https://solarsystem.nasa...   Oct 26 2017, 09:01 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Oct 26 2017, 10:01 PM)...   Oct 27 2017, 02:30 PM
- - TheAnt   The papers start to pile up high enough to build a...   Oct 27 2017, 01:50 PM
- - antipode   Is this a joke? https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/paper...   Dec 6 2017, 06:31 AM
|- - DFortes   QUOTE (antipode @ Dec 6 2017, 06:31 AM) I...   Dec 6 2017, 01:49 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (antipode @ Dec 6 2017, 07:31 AM) I...   Dec 7 2017, 12:01 AM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (fredk @ Dec 7 2017, 01:01 AM) The ...   Dec 7 2017, 08:22 PM
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- - angel1801   I very rarely post anything here apart from me giv...   Dec 7 2017, 04:35 AM
- - atomoid   hilariously painful indeed! gave up trying to ...   Dec 8 2017, 12:04 AM
- - Explorer1   Newly published results showing quite a bit of act...   Mar 15 2018, 02:36 AM
- - nprev   Have to wonder if this is partially endogenic, tho...   Mar 15 2018, 03:22 AM
|- - JRehling   On Ahuna Mons, I wonder how intricate the dynamics...   Mar 15 2018, 04:44 PM
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- - Marcin600   Interesting relatively new (03 September 2019) art...   Dec 28 2019, 07:46 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   There's some new papers on Ceres "Recent...   Aug 10 2020, 07:11 PM
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