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Dawn approaches Ceres, From opnav images to first orbit
Phil Stooke
post Jan 12 2015, 12:10 AM
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On Tuesday (two days from now, for visitors from the future), the first optical navigation image will be taken... hopefully we'll have it in our hands soon after that. So it's time for a new topic. Over the next few months we'll have progressively closer images and full orbit characterization sequences, no doubt including multispectral image sets.

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This is a bit of reprocessing I have been doing with the Hubble images from a few years ago.

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post Mar 20 2015, 04:32 AM
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Certainly some fascinating speculation on the thread so far. Rather unusual to have a mystery like this persist for this long after a first encounter, I think, but that's undoubtedly a consequence of Dawn's approach & orbital capture trajectory requirements.

The only conclusion I feel safe to make is very generic: Whatever it is, it's young, and I mean like thousands of years old maybe; I'd guess younger than that.

My rationale is that there seems to be only one of these regions on Ceres, and it's tiny. (Okay, two close together but REAL close, so almost certainly associated.) There are other geological provinces of sorts, but all of far greater extent. In turn, to me this argues for an exogenic origin since an endogenic process would likely not be confined to such a small area of this body.

In fact, and please correct me if I'm wrong, on every object we've examined with current active surface processes (volcanic or not) said processes are distributed across broad regions of the body. Iapetus' albedo process is global, Enceladus' geysers are regional but across a proportionally large area of the moon's surface, Titan's seas are polar.

Therefore, I'm putting my money on a VERY fresh pair of impact craters that have exposed underlying ice. That may well be sublimating when exposed to direct sunlight just like a comet's ices do, but that's the extent of activity.

Pure luck that this happened before Dawn arrived is all. If this model is correct, Ceres must periodically sport relatively dazzling bright spots until they are covered by either Sun-induced darkening of organics or dust from other impacts.


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post Mar 20 2015, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 19 2015, 08:32 PM) *
Therefore, I'm putting my money on a VERY fresh pair of impact craters that have exposed underlying ice. That may well be sublimating when exposed to direct sunlight just like a comet's ices do, but that's the extent of activity.


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I agree completely - it is very unlikely that only one spot on the entire dwarf planet would have a volcano / geyser / oozing ice etc, where as craters in bigger craters are all over the place - we would expect a few young craters on a body of this size.

To help visualize the white spot fitting an impact crater I took a similar crater within a crater and used a moon simulator to watch it's brightness change as a function of phase angle - as you can see it is entirely consistent with the white spot picts seen to date.

MOON: (click to see animated GIF)
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CERES:
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Finally on another note: as to the central peak types of ideas for the white spot - I don't see any convincing central peaks on Ceres - they look like they are secondary crater caused with a couple that are questionable - but if 90+% clearly don't have them, it is highly unlikely any do.
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post Mar 20 2015, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (Ken2 @ Mar 20 2015, 07:25 PM) *
... I don't see any convincing central peaks on Ceres ...

Light from left, near the terminator, examples and schemes:
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- Phil Stooke   Dawn approaches Ceres   Jan 12 2015, 12:10 AM
- - Gerald   After magnifying and a nonlinear stretch, I'm ...   Mar 19 2015, 10:29 PM
- - dvandorn   I'll also point out that variable reflection m...   Mar 20 2015, 12:48 AM
- - nprev   Certainly some fascinating speculation on the thre...   Mar 20 2015, 04:32 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 20 2015, 05:32 AM) ......   Mar 20 2015, 10:39 AM
|- - Ken2   QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 19 2015, 08:32 PM) The...   Mar 20 2015, 06:25 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (Ken2 @ Mar 20 2015, 07:25 PM) ... ...   Mar 20 2015, 09:23 PM
|- - Habukaz   QUOTE (Ken2 @ Mar 20 2015, 07:25 PM) Fina...   Mar 20 2015, 10:40 PM
|- - Ken2   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Mar 20 2015, 02:40 PM) A...   Mar 24 2015, 10:20 PM
|- - Habukaz   The official word from the framing camera lead inv...   Mar 25 2015, 06:57 PM
|- - Gladstoner   There could be still-unreleased OpNav 4 and OpNav ...   Mar 25 2015, 09:54 PM
- - Habukaz   Given the small scale of the bright spots, I immed...   Mar 20 2015, 11:45 AM
- - Gerald   Thermal inertia and albedo may balance sometimes: ...   Mar 20 2015, 02:08 PM
- - Kevin Gill   Was able to put together a quick 360 degree rotati...   Mar 20 2015, 05:44 PM
- - algorimancer   Staring at these height maps, trying to reconcile ...   Mar 20 2015, 09:02 PM
|- - Sherbert   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Mar 20 2015, 09:02 ...   Mar 21 2015, 02:32 PM
||- - algorimancer   QUOTE (Sherbert @ Mar 21 2015, 09:32 AM) ...   Mar 21 2015, 08:09 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Mar 20 2015, 10:02 ...   Mar 21 2015, 07:25 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Mar 21 2015, 02:25 PM) .....   Mar 21 2015, 08:15 PM
- - Gladstoner   The dearth of rayed craters is also notable.   Mar 20 2015, 11:08 PM
- - hendric   Yes, the descoping that lost Dawn the magnetometer...   Mar 21 2015, 10:40 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (hendric @ Mar 21 2015, 04:40 PM) ....   Mar 22 2015, 05:11 PM
- - JohnVV   from my post # 679 the EARLY shape file the high...   Mar 22 2015, 04:20 AM
- - marsbug   TBH I think it's public percception and fundin...   Mar 23 2015, 07:14 AM
- - volcanopele   Interesting work with the DEM everyone. It made m...   Mar 23 2015, 03:09 PM
|- - illexsquid   The problem with that comparison is that Johun is ...   Mar 24 2015, 10:29 AM
- - Phil Stooke   No need to focus on the shape of that crater, thou...   Mar 24 2015, 02:21 PM
- - TheAnt   On the origin of Ceres, which have been mentioned ...   Mar 24 2015, 05:42 PM
- - JohnVV   that "ridge" in the DEM is 100% pure syn...   Mar 24 2015, 08:16 PM
- - Gladstoner   In anticipation of forthcoming higher-resolution i...   Mar 26 2015, 01:41 AM
|- - illexsquid   Excellent summary of "the story so far" ...   Apr 6 2015, 08:25 PM
- - Gerald   Dawn, Ceres images 2 to 14 of RC2 sequence pia1892...   Apr 10 2015, 07:42 PM
- - JohnVV   -- edited see other thread http://www.unmannedspa...   Apr 11 2015, 09:31 PM
- - MichaelJWP   Anyone know when the latest images will be release...   Apr 13 2015, 10:24 AM
- - katodomo   EGU2015 Press Conference 2: "New results from...   Apr 13 2015, 10:58 AM
- - Habukaz   ^ Interesting. I didn't watch all of it, but I...   Apr 13 2015, 12:55 PM
- - katodomo   To summarize from the above stream, since i don...   Apr 13 2015, 01:29 PM
- - dmg   I am able to still watch the Press Conference now ...   Apr 13 2015, 01:34 PM
|- - katodomo   QUOTE (dmg @ Apr 13 2015, 03:34 PM) I am ...   Apr 13 2015, 02:26 PM
- - Habukaz   I see the VIR images and the colour map have been ...   Apr 13 2015, 02:10 PM
- - mcgyver   Hotspot not so hot? http://phys.org/news/2015-04-d...   Apr 14 2015, 08:17 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (mcgyver @ Apr 14 2015, 02:17 AM) T...   Apr 14 2015, 04:53 PM
- - Paolo   "spot number 5" is not an official name....   Apr 14 2015, 08:31 AM
- - katodomo   Makes one wonder which ones Spots 2 to 4 are, and ...   Apr 14 2015, 09:26 AM
- - Phil Stooke   If you look back through the Dawn threads you will...   Apr 14 2015, 11:07 AM
- - Habukaz   I think it might be interesting to note, though, t...   Apr 14 2015, 05:12 PM
- - dudley   I'm not altogether certain that the bright spo...   Apr 15 2015, 05:03 PM
- - Habukaz   Spot 1 is considerably bigger in the sense that it...   Apr 15 2015, 05:17 PM
- - Explorer1   Some minor news while waiting for the images: the ...   Apr 15 2015, 07:11 PM
- - Gladstoner   Trying to make sense of the recently released colo...   Apr 15 2015, 09:51 PM
- - elakdawalla   One thing I noticed in the caption to this map (em...   Apr 15 2015, 11:02 PM
- - JohnVV   and that false color map is the SAME!!...   Apr 16 2015, 02:20 AM
- - wildespace   Any idea why the order of colours has been reverse...   Apr 17 2015, 06:51 AM
- - Astro0   ADMIN NOTE: A number of posts related to Dawn obse...   Apr 19 2015, 12:29 PM
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