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Paolo
post Jun 15 2015, 05:47 PM
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daily Ceres picture from the survey orbit
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images...tml?id=PIA19572

I started a new topic, as we are no longer in the first orbit phase
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post Jun 20 2015, 07:04 AM
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Now that basin is fascinating, not just for the radial valleys, but for the darker mare-like features on its floor. Someone needs to do some crater counting there when the resolution gets good enough!
Also, whats with that lobate feature to the right of the basin which terminates near those fossae? Almost looks like the basin has overflowed (cryo?)mare materials in the past. Does anyone else see that?

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post Jun 20 2015, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (antipode @ Jun 20 2015, 09:04 AM) *
Also, whats with that lobate feature to the right of the basin which terminates near those fossae? Almost looks like the basin has overflowed (cryo?)mare materials in the past. Does anyone else see that?


Of course we do see it. smile.gif That part immediately caught my eye also on the image composite that eliBonora provided.
It seem that the crater walls might be slowly filling slowly, if that turn out to be correct they truly would be doing so at a glacial pace.
I cant stop wondering if those larger chunks might be ice or aggregations of the darker surface material that stick together.
In addition there appear to be terrace all round the southern half of the crater that make it seem that the southern region got a higher elevation.
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post Jun 20 2015, 03:11 PM
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If Ceres still has a glacial fill process that continues today, shouldn't we see some of those small to mid-sized craters partially filled or at least distorted? To me the current surface still looks old. I see Ceres as a body that was one-time active but has now cooled to a point that the surface is no longer active. Any modifications are only done by crater impacts.

Below the surface, we'll have to wait and see what the data says.

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post Jun 20 2015, 05:25 PM
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Distorted craters could indeed show us something.
Now that the area right of that large crater show quite less craters than on average, whereas areas north of the crater are literally peppered.
Do this mean that craters have been removed, and only later replaced more recently by a few small craters just at the limit of the image resolution?
And yes, one of the largest ones near the right side of the image actually is distorted.
But we will need higher resolution images before this little hypothesis will fly or be turned over end, most craters in the area are too small to show any detail yet.
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QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jun 20 2015, 11:25 AM) *
Distorted craters could indeed show us something.
Now that the area right of that large crater show quite less craters than on average, whereas areas north of the crater are literally peppered.
Do this mean that craters have been removed, and only later replaced more recently by a few small craters just at the limit of the image resolution?
And yes, one of the largest ones near the right side of the image actually is distorted.
But we will need higher resolution images before this little hypothesis will fly or be turned over end, most craters in the area are too small to show any detail yet.


Yes, all good questions.

The large craters with the apparently filled-in, but cratered, floors have intrigued me. Perhaps at a large enough kinetic energy an impact breaks through the crust into the subsurface ocean and allows the floors to be filled for a very short period of time. Over time the crust has become thicker and so more kinetic energy is needed to break on through to the other side - the subsurface ocean and allow flows to occur. The deeper the ocean, the shorter the time before the opening freezes again.

This is why only the big craters show signs of resurfacing and yet have middle to small craters within them. Over geologic time it has required more and more impact kinetic energy to cause a flow to occur. The crust near the equator is shallower than near the poles which would explain the differences in large crater density between the equator and the poles.

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- Paolo   Dawn's Survey Orbit at Ceres   Jun 15 2015, 05:47 PM
- - RotoSequence   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 15 2015, 10:47 AM) dai...   Jun 15 2015, 06:21 PM
- - Habukaz   The latest image has a nice perspective that shows...   Jun 16 2015, 04:54 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jun 16 2015, 11:54 AM) T...   Jun 17 2015, 01:17 AM
- - Gladstoner   The other white-spot crater looks quite messy, but...   Jun 16 2015, 05:01 PM
- - climber   Danielle's experiment seams quite close to thi...   Jun 16 2015, 05:44 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (climber @ Jun 16 2015, 05:44 PM) D...   Jun 17 2015, 11:31 PM
- - Jaro_in_Montreal   A different view of that pingo/volcano/whatever an...   Jun 17 2015, 04:28 PM
- - Gladstoner   FYI, the released TIFS have much better detail tha...   Jun 17 2015, 04:48 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 17 2015, 06:48 PM...   Jun 17 2015, 05:48 PM
|- - Mercure   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 17 2015, 06:48 PM...   Jun 17 2015, 11:16 PM
- - Habukaz   shield volcano is the word that comes to mind when...   Jun 17 2015, 05:02 PM
- - Gladstoner   The fossae bundle again: The square arrangement...   Jun 17 2015, 05:13 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 17 2015, 06:13 PM...   Jun 18 2015, 10:18 PM
- - Habukaz   The images at full resolution are as usual found a...   Jun 17 2015, 06:29 PM
- - Superstring   Are we sure that volcano-looking feature isn't...   Jun 17 2015, 07:55 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (Superstring @ Jun 17 2015, 01:55 P...   Jun 17 2015, 08:03 PM
- - Habukaz   According to the Twitter account, the mountain is ...   Jun 18 2015, 08:20 AM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jun 18 2015, 09:20 AM) A...   Jun 18 2015, 11:51 AM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Jun 18 2015,...   Jun 18 2015, 08:02 PM
- - katodomo   QUOTE (Habukaz @ Jun 18 2015, 10:20 AM) A...   Jun 18 2015, 04:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Actually it is a crater rim, part of the biggest i...   Jun 18 2015, 04:21 PM
- - scalbers   Indeed it's good to look at the context to see...   Jun 18 2015, 05:05 PM
- - Gladstoner   Now the lesser southern basin is being showcased: ...   Jun 18 2015, 05:15 PM
|- - scalbers   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 18 2015, 05:15 PM...   Jun 18 2015, 09:52 PM
- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   it'real this color images of CerES?   Jun 18 2015, 06:29 PM
|- - eliBonora   QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Jun 18 2015,...   Jun 19 2015, 05:07 AM
|- - wildespace   QUOTE (eliBonora @ Jun 19 2015, 06:07 AM)...   Jun 19 2015, 06:13 AM
||- - eliBonora   QUOTE (wildespace @ Jun 19 2015, 08:13 AM...   Jun 19 2015, 08:40 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE Hi there, is a bit of time that I cannot com...   Jun 19 2015, 08:20 AM
- - Gladstoner   Spot #5 is nearly on the horizon in today's im...   Jun 19 2015, 04:46 PM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 19 2015, 04:46 PM...   Jun 21 2015, 04:07 AM
- - Habukaz   At first I thought it was some other bright materi...   Jun 19 2015, 05:42 PM
- - ZLD   That does seem pretty strange. Must be peering jus...   Jun 19 2015, 06:15 PM
- - ngunn   As I mentioned before don't forget that the cu...   Jun 19 2015, 07:25 PM
- - scalbers   Today's image also helps in mapping some of th...   Jun 19 2015, 10:50 PM
- - eliBonora   Here a Ceres mosaic (PIA19575 and 19576)   Jun 20 2015, 05:50 AM
- - antipode   Now that basin is fascinating, not just for the ra...   Jun 20 2015, 07:04 AM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (antipode @ Jun 20 2015, 09:04 AM) ...   Jun 20 2015, 08:49 AM
|- - alk3997   If Ceres still has a glacial fill process that con...   Jun 20 2015, 03:11 PM
|- - TheAnt   Distorted craters could indeed show us something. ...   Jun 20 2015, 05:25 PM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Jun 20 2015, 11:25 AM) Di...   Jun 21 2015, 02:09 PM
- - ZLD   QUOTE (alk3997 @ Jun 20 2015, 09:11 AM) T...   Jun 20 2015, 06:36 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jun 20 2015, 07:36 PM) The s...   Jun 20 2015, 10:11 PM
- - JohnVV   QUOTE Perhaps at a large enough kinetic energy an ...   Jun 22 2015, 02:42 AM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (JohnVV @ Jun 21 2015, 08:42 PM) th...   Jun 22 2015, 06:49 PM
- - dvandorn   I imagine that impacts onto an ice world (or an ic...   Jun 22 2015, 04:26 AM
- - Gerald   Thinking at pockets of water: The core of Ceres is...   Jun 22 2015, 10:56 AM
- - ZLD   New images up on Photojournal. In order left to r...   Jun 22 2015, 01:45 PM
- - alphasam   Gonna take a stab and say they're looking like...   Jun 22 2015, 01:50 PM
- - fredk   What's nice about the new view is that it appe...   Jun 22 2015, 02:29 PM
- - Gladstoner   Also today, the big mountain is nicely displayed i...   Jun 22 2015, 04:48 PM
- - Gladstoner   In another image released today (I hope 3-image re...   Jun 22 2015, 05:08 PM
- - ZLD   Can't say with certainty, but it looks like th...   Jun 22 2015, 06:41 PM
- - Gladstoner   A comparison of craters: The shape of the main ...   Jun 22 2015, 06:59 PM
- - Sherbert   I would guess the left of the two basins is newer....   Jun 22 2015, 08:49 PM
- - Habukaz   The fuzziness of the of the bright spots to the ri...   Jun 22 2015, 09:58 PM
- - dvandorn   If you're right, Habukaz, then this makes two ...   Jun 23 2015, 12:27 AM
|- - alk3997   But, what about the side view image that Gladstone...   Jun 23 2015, 02:35 AM
- - dvandorn   Ooops, sorry. I see that I mis-spoke a bit. I di...   Jun 23 2015, 03:27 AM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 22 2015, 10:27 PM) ...   Jun 23 2015, 03:33 AM
- - Habukaz   I was also thinking about the coating produced by ...   Jun 23 2015, 08:33 AM
- - ZLD   If active, what about some type of water slurry cr...   Jun 23 2015, 01:39 PM
- - nprev   Re the possibility of active plumes: As I recall, ...   Jun 23 2015, 02:40 PM
- - ZLD   Spectroscopy isn't really my area. What are th...   Jun 23 2015, 04:06 PM
- - Doug M.   Something I haven't seen discussed yet: are we...   Jun 23 2015, 04:52 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (Doug M. @ Jun 23 2015, 06:52 PM) S...   Jun 23 2015, 06:23 PM
- - nprev   ZLD, I think that the answer is the same. Any semi...   Jun 23 2015, 06:08 PM
- - pioneer   I understand Dawn has a Gamma Ray and Neutron Dete...   Jun 23 2015, 06:55 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 23 2015, 07:55 PM) I...   Jun 23 2015, 07:09 PM
- - Sherbert   I also think sublimation of volatiles may be invol...   Jun 23 2015, 07:26 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Paolo's right, GRAND gets pretty much nothing ...   Jun 23 2015, 07:27 PM
- - fredk   Apart from this release based on observations in F...   Jun 23 2015, 07:39 PM
- - Sherbert   This is interesting. Is this erosion or sedimentar...   Jun 23 2015, 07:47 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (Sherbert @ Jun 23 2015, 02:47 PM) ...   Jun 23 2015, 07:55 PM
|- - Sherbert   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 23 2015, 08:55 PM...   Jun 23 2015, 08:06 PM
- - eliBonora   An anagliph of Spot5's crater (from PIA19579 a...   Jun 23 2015, 07:52 PM
|- - Sherbert   [quote name='eliBonora' date='Jun 23 2...   Jun 23 2015, 08:02 PM
- - scalbers   We have discussed this to be a rim section of a la...   Jun 23 2015, 08:11 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (scalbers @ Jun 23 2015, 02:11 PM) ...   Jun 23 2015, 10:24 PM
- - Sherbert   This is the same rim wall from a different angle. ...   Jun 23 2015, 10:54 PM
- - Gladstoner   I'm leaning toward it a series of vertical or ...   Jun 23 2015, 11:27 PM
- - Wocket   Newby here. I can construct a hypothesis for the b...   Jun 24 2015, 12:37 AM
- - monty python   Yes. I just can't get my head around how we co...   Jun 24 2015, 05:15 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (monty python @ Jun 23 2015, 09:15 ...   Jun 24 2015, 05:49 AM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 23 2015, 11:49 PM) Cou...   Jun 24 2015, 03:39 PM
- - rogelio   "....low energy/velocity impactor theory... w...   Jun 24 2015, 04:50 PM
|- - alk3997   QUOTE (rogelio @ Jun 24 2015, 11:50 AM) ...   Jun 24 2015, 04:58 PM
|- - JRehling   Some qualitative thinking where computational mode...   Jun 24 2015, 05:26 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jun 20 2015, 12:36 PM) .... ...   Jun 24 2015, 05:49 PM
- - FOV   Polar region crater with more of the light coloure...   Jun 24 2015, 05:28 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (FOV @ Jun 24 2015, 11:28 AM) Polar...   Jun 24 2015, 05:58 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jun 24 2015, 10:58 AM...   Jun 24 2015, 08:26 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 24 2015, 09:26 PM) ...   Jun 24 2015, 09:06 PM
||- - JRehling   I see a citation from Lanzerotti, et al, 1978 to t...   Jun 24 2015, 09:42 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 24 2015, 03:26 PM) ...   Jun 24 2015, 09:10 PM
- - Habukaz   The lower half of that bright crater has a really ...   Jun 24 2015, 06:17 PM
- - ZLD   It gets even stranger looking if you flip it upsid...   Jun 24 2015, 08:18 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jun 24 2015, 03:18 PM) I a...   Jun 24 2015, 09:00 PM
- - scalbers   Would the ice sublimation rate be greater than the...   Jun 24 2015, 09:59 PM
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