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post Oct 11 2009, 08:49 AM
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no one seems to have noticed this
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/326/5950/275
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post Apr 24 2016, 09:29 AM
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Pallas is not nearly massive enough to effect a significant change in Dawn's velocity nor change its inclination. Recall that the only moon in the Saturn system massive enough to affect Cassini's trajectory is Titan...and Pallas is only about twice as massive as Enceladus.

If this happens at all, it's gonna be a flyby.



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post Apr 24 2016, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Apr 24 2016, 10:29 AM) *
Pallas is not nearly massive enough to effect a significant change in Dawn's velocity nor change its inclination. Recall that the only moon in the Saturn system massive enough to affect Cassini's trajectory is Titan...and Pallas is only about twice as massive as Enceladus.

If this happens at all, it's gonna be a flyby.


Ahh, good point, interesting point actually, seems that gravity assist maneuvers are limited to about 70% of the escape velocity of the object.
While Pallas is moving fast, (relative to Dawn) it's weak gravity only lets you take small bites of that gravity assist capability.

So, Pallas escapeV is 324 m/s, so the maximum deltaV from any single assist is around 230 meters per second.
As compared to Titan, the reported gravity assist numbers I could find for Cassini had a deltaV of 1,100 meters per second.
That initially seems promising, Dawn at Pallas might get around 1/4 of the slingshot effect of Cassini at Titan,
but part of the benefit to Cassini is that Titan has a 16 day orbit, so get to do multiple slingshot encounters.
Interesting that Titan's orbit has a relative motion available for slingshot manoeuvres of around 5.6km/s.
For Dawn in a solar orbit, the relative motion of Pallas around the Sun is much higher, around 17.6km/s,
but the orbit takes so much longer, 16 hundred days, you're not getting many slingshot opportunities.

So, at first glance, it seemed like Pallas' high speed might balance out its low gravity for gravity assist,
but the way the equations work out, the speed of Pallas doesn't translate into higher deltaV, at least for single passes.
With each orbit taking 4.6 years, it would take a long while to do multiple passes.
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- Paolo   2 Pallas   Oct 11 2009, 08:49 AM
- - nprev   Well, well, well! Guess it's extremely pre...   Oct 11 2009, 08:57 AM
|- - Paolo   I discussed about this with Mark Rayman a few week...   Oct 11 2009, 10:55 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 11 2009, 09:57 AM) Wel...   Oct 12 2009, 05:03 AM
- - nprev   I was thinking that it was maybe a few degrees off...   Oct 12 2009, 05:11 AM
- - Paolo   From Wikipedia QUOTE Pallas has not been visited ...   Oct 12 2009, 05:38 AM
|- - tedstryk   There was a blurb about a Pallas encounter that br...   Oct 12 2009, 02:54 PM
||- - vjkane   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 12 2009, 03:54 PM) ...   Oct 12 2009, 04:19 PM
|- - PaulM   I wonder if the Indians or Chinese have considered...   Oct 12 2009, 07:34 PM
|- - HSchirmer   Since there is already a 2 Pallas thread, so I...   Apr 24 2016, 12:06 AM
- - Paolo   Note also this LPSC paper http://www.lpi.usra.edu/...   Oct 14 2009, 06:17 PM
- - djellison   A series of barely funny but fairly inappropriate ...   Oct 15 2009, 07:01 AM
- - Paolo   On ArXiv today: Physical Properties of (2) Pallas   Dec 21 2009, 06:43 AM
- - nprev   Huh. Almost the same average density as Mars. Ha...   Dec 21 2009, 06:55 AM
- - elakdawalla   Thanks very much for the pointer to that article, ...   Dec 22 2009, 06:05 PM
- - Explorer1   It would be amazing to get Dawn to a 3rd object, I...   Apr 24 2016, 01:26 AM
- - Paolo   and don't forget that changing the inclination...   Apr 24 2016, 07:02 AM
- - nprev   Pallas is not nearly massive enough to effect a si...   Apr 24 2016, 09:29 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (nprev @ Apr 24 2016, 10:29 AM) Pal...   Apr 24 2016, 12:45 PM
- - jasedm   It would be fantastic to think it would be on the ...   Apr 24 2016, 07:01 PM
- - TheAnt   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Apr 23 2016, 06:08 PM)...   Apr 24 2016, 11:41 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Apr 24 2016, 11:41 PM) Re...   Apr 25 2016, 12:00 AM
- - nprev   Landing or crashing is not considered an option si...   Apr 25 2016, 01:58 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (nprev @ Apr 25 2016, 01:58 AM) Lan...   Apr 25 2016, 02:30 AM
- - nprev   I think that's about ten deep in "ifs...   Apr 25 2016, 03:33 AM


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