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Paolo
post Aug 7 2011, 09:46 AM
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'Red Dragon' Mission Mulled as Cheap Search for Mars Life
any opinion on this? would it really make sense adapting a manned spaceship to unmanned Mars landing? I am skeptical...

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I suspect, and would encourage NASA to propose and build instruments for this mission, like they do for ESA missions. I am wondering, if we assume little to no redesign of Dragon 2 for Red Dragon, what kind of instruments could it take to Mars. One idea that I have heard before is a deep, relatively speaking, drill. The drill would be housed in the lander, and drill through the floor and heat shield before drilling into Mars. A deep drill on mars would be have amazing scientific return, if landed in the right area. I know that the Planetary Society was helping to enable that technology. What other instrument ideas would make sense?
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- Paolo   Red Dragon   Aug 7 2011, 09:46 AM
- - AndyG   ...and 1.2, and 1.3! I think the best thing w...   Aug 7 2011, 11:26 AM
- - pospa   Since payload capacity of Red Dragon to Mars surfa...   Aug 7 2011, 12:16 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (pospa @ Aug 7 2011, 02:16 PM) Sinc...   Aug 7 2011, 03:37 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 7 2011, 08:37 AM) A ...   Aug 8 2011, 01:24 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   Full inline quote removed - ADMIN No, the capsul...   Aug 8 2011, 02:27 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Treating Dragon strictly as an unmanned vehicle, i...   Aug 8 2011, 12:07 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   My recollection from the earliest days of SpaceX h...   Aug 8 2011, 12:48 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   The Viking landers and MSL wouldn't fit in it ...   Aug 8 2011, 03:20 AM
- - djellison   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 7 2011, 06...   Aug 8 2011, 03:20 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 7 2011, 11:20 PM) ...   Aug 8 2011, 05:37 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 8 2011, 09...   Aug 8 2011, 05:55 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 8 2011, 01:55 PM) ...   Aug 8 2011, 08:16 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 8 2011, 01...   Aug 8 2011, 08:35 PM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 8 2011, 04:35 PM) ...   Aug 9 2011, 12:12 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 8 2011, 05...   Aug 9 2011, 01:21 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 8 2011, 08:21 PM) ...   Aug 12 2011, 12:41 AM
- - ZLD   Just out of curiosity, are there any obvious appli...   Aug 8 2011, 11:44 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (ZLD @ Aug 9 2011, 01:44 AM) Also, ...   Aug 9 2011, 08:07 AM
- - nprev   If I'm not mistaken, I think that Red Dragon w...   Aug 8 2011, 11:51 PM
- - ZLD   QUOTE a couple of intermediate-sized rovers poppin...   Aug 9 2011, 12:06 AM
- - nprev   Jim, one point you have to remember about Red Drag...   Aug 9 2011, 12:48 AM
- - ZLD   QUOTE Driving rovers out the hatch is ludicrous, t...   Aug 9 2011, 01:06 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ZLD @ Aug 8 2011, 08:06 PM) ...som...   Aug 9 2011, 01:24 AM
- - nprev   Yep; many ways to skin that cat. You could even pu...   Aug 9 2011, 01:30 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 8 2011, 09:30 PM) ...Y...   Aug 9 2011, 01:36 AM
- - ZLD   Kind of like the tumbleweed idea thats been floate...   Aug 9 2011, 01:49 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ZLD @ Aug 8 2011, 08:49 PM) Kind o...   Aug 9 2011, 02:30 AM
- - DDAVIS   I would have cameras at least pointing out the win...   Aug 9 2011, 04:12 AM
- - djellison   You sound like Mike Wolff. In a good way. Top hat...   Aug 9 2011, 05:56 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   Think of the weather station and seismometer you c...   Aug 9 2011, 06:00 AM
- - Astro0   Of course thinking outside the box or in this case...   Aug 9 2011, 07:39 AM
|- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (Astro0 @ Aug 9 2011, 02:39 AM) OfJ...   Aug 12 2011, 12:33 AM
- - pospa   We are talking about Discovery category mission, r...   Aug 9 2011, 11:09 AM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (pospa @ Aug 9 2011, 05:09 AM) ...w...   Aug 9 2011, 12:57 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   Although I think this proposed proposal (how's...   Aug 9 2011, 12:51 PM
- - Mongo   For a Mars mission, there are two kinds of distanc...   Aug 9 2011, 05:01 PM
- - djellison   It's not out of the question that the vehicle ...   Aug 9 2011, 05:18 PM
- - Mongo   I had a wild idea, does anybody know if it is tech...   Aug 9 2011, 05:37 PM
|- - Mongo   From Emily's Planetary Society blog: QUOTE Mo...   Mar 16 2012, 01:04 AM
|- - Gsnorgathon   Good call, Mongo! Now, do you have some sugges...   Mar 16 2012, 06:26 AM
- - ZLD   Drilling through the bottom is a possibility, as i...   Aug 9 2011, 05:53 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   It may be robust enough to survive a winter buried...   Aug 9 2011, 07:05 PM
- - lyford   Delurking in this thread just long enough to say H...   Aug 9 2011, 11:30 PM
- - MarsInMyLifetime   I'm new to UMSF, but a long-time advocate of r...   Aug 10 2011, 06:08 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (MarsInMyLifetime @ Aug 10 2011, 08...   Aug 10 2011, 08:06 AM
|- - MarsInMyLifetime   QUOTE (ugordan @ Aug 10 2011, 02:06 AM) ....   Aug 10 2011, 04:08 PM
- - Fran Ontanaya   Maybe it could orbit Mars, mapping with a big gamm...   Aug 12 2011, 02:20 AM
- - ZLD   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 11 2011, 06...   Aug 12 2011, 02:43 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (ZLD @ Aug 11 2011, 07:43 PM) Jim, ...   Aug 12 2011, 05:56 AM
- - Greg Hullender   I hate to appear to agree with Jim, but I'm ju...   Aug 12 2011, 03:33 AM
- - stevesliva   On the other hand, NASA also has a history of desi...   Aug 12 2011, 05:45 AM
- - nprev   "A solar-powered rover lasting for over seven...   Aug 12 2011, 07:15 AM
- - djellison   Jim has been asked, in private, and publicly, by U...   Aug 12 2011, 08:00 AM
- - SteveM   "The idea is like grass, It craves light, lik...   Aug 12 2011, 04:48 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   I think people have posted several ideas of how SO...   Aug 12 2011, 05:08 PM
- - Astro0   "...but I don't think any of that science...   Aug 13 2011, 06:32 AM
|- - Drkskywxlt   QUOTE (Astro0 @ Aug 13 2011, 01:32 AM) Oh...   Aug 15 2011, 12:50 PM
- - Oersted   I imagine a snake crawling out of the hatch... ht...   Aug 13 2011, 08:00 PM
- - Syrinx   It might be worth simply emailing Elon Musk and as...   Aug 18 2011, 08:42 PM
- - Paolo   there is an article on Red Dragon on this week...   Nov 9 2011, 07:45 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   Usually teams that are proposing Discovery or NF m...   Nov 9 2011, 08:46 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Nov 9 2011, 12:46 PM)...   Nov 9 2011, 09:50 PM
|- - vjkane   ADMIN - Full inline quote removed. You should know...   Nov 9 2011, 10:25 PM
- - Phil Stooke   True! But nobody else is likely to steal this...   Nov 9 2011, 09:26 PM
- - djellison   And someone else could also propose a Red Dragon p...   Nov 9 2011, 10:36 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   Dragon is a platform, Red Dragon is a specific mis...   Nov 10 2011, 11:26 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Drkskywxlt @ Nov 10 2011, 03:26 AM...   Nov 10 2011, 02:45 PM
- - nprev   Well, let's redirect by all means, then! ...   Nov 10 2011, 03:46 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 10 2011, 07:46 AM) Any...   Nov 10 2011, 03:54 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   I would definitely expect foreign instruments (or ...   Nov 10 2011, 03:59 PM
- - nprev   Hmm. All that terrific payload capacity... What d...   Nov 10 2011, 04:08 PM
- - Paolo   this presentation of Red Dragon has been posted on...   Dec 13 2011, 07:04 PM
- - Kaputnik   It's been interesting to figure out how Red Dr...   Sep 16 2012, 03:03 PM
- - Mongo   That's the big question -- whether it would be...   Sep 17 2012, 05:17 PM
|- - Kaputnik   A 'nearly stock' Dragon would be aiming to...   Sep 17 2012, 08:39 PM
|- - Mongo   Acording to SpaceX, the dry mass of a Dragon is 3,...   Sep 17 2012, 09:30 PM
|- - Kaputnik   A 3180kg Dragon does not have, as far as I am awar...   Sep 17 2012, 11:29 PM
- - dtolman   A few days ago Space.com posted a speculative arti...   Sep 17 2015, 12:45 AM
- - sittingduck   I have a question concerning the CGI used to showc...   Sep 18 2015, 09:38 AM
- - eoincampbell   Just beyond Dingo Gap sol 528   Sep 18 2015, 03:33 PM
- - sittingduck   Thanks eoincampbell! By my reckoning that p...   Sep 18 2015, 04:22 PM
- - anticitizen2   I am hearing that Red Dragon is more likely to get...   Jan 4 2016, 04:40 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (anticitizen2 @ Jan 4 2016, 12:40 A...   Jan 4 2016, 04:49 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (anticitizen2 @ Jan 3 2016, 08:40 P...   Jan 4 2016, 05:17 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (anticitizen2 @ Jan 3 2016, 08:40 P...   Jan 4 2016, 01:13 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Phil   Apr 27 2016, 04:12 PM
- - Seryddwr   We're gonna need more wheels... Serio...   Apr 27 2016, 05:11 PM
|- - dtolman   The article at Gizmodo has more details than the t...   Apr 27 2016, 07:58 PM
- - Explorer1   Things are starting to heat up! (no pun intend...   Apr 27 2016, 10:15 PM
- - elakdawalla   Red Dragon could enable some exciting future robot...   Apr 27 2016, 10:53 PM
- - acastillo   I suspect, and would encourage NASA to propose and...   Apr 27 2016, 11:10 PM
- - Stratespace   In this techno-oriented mission, I imagine more pa...   Apr 27 2016, 11:17 PM
- - nprev   I would expect this initial mission to be almost p...   Apr 28 2016, 02:06 AM
|- - dtolman   NASA's statement on their partnership with Spa...   Apr 28 2016, 03:01 AM
- - nprev   If they're smart--and there's no doubt tha...   Apr 28 2016, 03:40 AM
- - climber   When exactly will be 2018 launch window?   Apr 28 2016, 05:09 AM
- - Paolo   launch window should be around May +/- one month   Apr 28 2016, 05:11 AM
- - tanjent   This is an issue that has arisen recently in Schia...   Apr 28 2016, 05:28 AM
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