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Paolo
post Mar 13 2010, 11:29 AM
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I thought it was time to start a separate thread on this mission, launching soon
some good medium-resolution images of the spacecraft are available on JAXA digital archives
http://jda.jaxa.jp/jda/p3_e.php?time=N&...mp;mission=4066
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elakdawalla
post May 3 2016, 01:01 AM
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I just want to chime in a note of thanks to you for your work in translating these documents, pandaneko.


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post May 4 2016, 12:12 AM
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Example 3: Clarifyinng mechanism for complex patterns (UVI+LIR)

(1st character set after above in yellow box):

In particular, complex abosrption patterns in dark area

(2nd character set):

Are solar light absorbing materials lifted from lower height?
Are they newly chemically produced at cloud tops?
Are they moved horizontally?
What kind of convection, pulsage, random flow currents are involved?

(3rd character set in yellow box):

Very clear boundary between dark and light regions

(4th character set):

In particular, complex absorption patterns in dark area
Is there a barrier of horizontal mixture of absorbing material and haze (translation unsure, P)?
Is new aerosol produced in a particular area?

(5th character set):

Clarify air mass transport and change (?) process at cloud top from observing distribution of absorption materials and haze (UVI),
cloud temp. variation with height (LIR), wind velocity disribution form cloud tracing

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post May 4 2016, 12:16 AM
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I have this nagging thought. In fact, I have had it for long time by now.

If Akatsuki was able to enter a kind of orbit around Venus with its smaller
engines, then why did they bother with the larger engine that failed?

They could have designed a craft with a few more of these smaller engines and
made Akatsuki go around in a proper circle? Tha wouod have been a lot cheaper?

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post May 5 2016, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (pandaneko @ May 4 2016, 02:16 AM) *
I have this nagging thought. In fact, I have had it for long time by now.

If Akatsuki was able to enter a kind of orbit around Venus with its smaller
engines, then why did they bother with the larger engine that failed?

They could have designed a craft with a few more of these smaller engines and
made Akatsuki go around in a proper circle? Tha wouod have been a lot cheaper?

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Hello-

You can get into orbit with big engines or with small engines. But if you
plan to use a big engine, and then only have small engines, things
get difficult.

Look at the Dawn mission at Ceres. They have an ion engine, which has very
small thrust. But the engine is designed to operate for a very long time.
This was in the design, and the approach to Ceres was designed for the
amount of thrust available.

The main Akatsuki engine seems to have burned for about 3 minutes out of
the planned 12 minutes. So the spacecraft did slow down significantly, but
not nearly enough. So it went past Venus pretty fast. Later, some burns
were performed, but I assume that the spacecraft was still moving fast
when it returned to Venus.

All they had available were the attitude thrusters. I do not now know anything
about the Akatsuki attitude thrusters, but in general they are quite small
compared to a main engine, say 1 to 5% as big. And they are not designed to
fire continuously for long periods of time. Attitude thrusters are designed
to give very short bursts that are very accurate. Akatsuki now had to use
thrusters designed for short bursts, for a very long continuous burn. I
suspect that the thrusters were never designed, let alone even tested, for
such a long continuous burn. If I had been the propulsion engineer on
Akatsuki, I would have been very afraid of a failure of one or more of
the thrusters.

So, the answer to your question is: you can use small engines or big engines.
But if your mission is designed for one or the other, it is very very
difficult to change the mission design because your hardware may not work.

I hope this may have been helpful. Sorry if it is not.



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post May 5 2016, 08:37 AM
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cndwrid

Gracias y mucho obligado. Le entiendo muy bien.

Thaks.

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post May 7 2016, 02:22 AM
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Page-11

(Page title):

Akatsuki's health

Akatsuki is currently flying along an orbit nearer to the sun than Venusian orbit. Consequently it is experiencing a harder thermal
environment than originally planned.

Therefore, we changed its attitude so that the most heat resistance face (+Z) will point to the sun.

Akatsuki passed the 9th (final) nearest Sun point on 30 August 2015. At each point of the space craft the temp. is drecreasing
as predicted, showing that Akatsuki is in good health (except the main engine).

(on the left hand graph, vertical scale is solar radiation strength in W/mxm, and the horizontal scale is date)

(Character sets on the graph from top to bottom are):

Akatsuki (green)
Solar orbit (just above green dotted lines)
Transition (or transfer?) orbit (just above red dotted lines)
Maximum solar radation on 17 April at 3665 W/mxm
Venus (red in middle)
VOI on 7 December with 2621 W/mxm
Earth (blue in middle)
Launch 21 May

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post May 7 2016, 02:50 AM
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Akatsuki- Venus exploration

We wish to understand the climate of Venus which is often said to be very similar to the earth, by 3-D type
remote sensing into the cloud layers from orbit.

・ Why Super Rotation?, the high speed atmospheric motion
・ How can the atmosphere move vertically and north-south?
・ How are all covering clouds formed?
・ Are there lightenings in the absence of ice crystals?
・ Are there active volcanoes?

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Mysterious wind - Super rotation

Atmosphere rotates much faster than the speed of self rotation in the same direction (360km/h)

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post May 7 2016, 03:40 AM
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Atmospheric circulation on earth type planets

(with the earth in 4th quadrant and clockwise)

(at 21:00 direction): Hudley circulation
(at 22:00 direction): Ferrell circulation
(just before mid night): Polar circulation
(on the globe from above, Westerly and Trade wind)

(in the 3rd quadarnt is Mars. Character in the top box is Winter and that in the bottom box is Summer.
On the globe at top is Westerly and below it is Trade wind. Outside the globe, horizontally across is Hudley and above it is Ferrell)

(1st quadrant is Venus with super rotation)
(2nd quadrant is Titan with super rotation)

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Clouds are formed by atmospheric circulation

(graphic here)

Clouds are responsible for planetary refletion and surface temperatures

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- Paolo   Akatsuki Venus Climate Orbiter   Mar 13 2010, 11:29 AM
- - nprev   QUOTE (pandaneko @ Apr 17 2016, 03:26 PM)...   Apr 18 2016, 04:30 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-13 2. Prepertion status of individual instru...   Apr 19 2016, 12:49 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-15 Observstion result by IR1(1mm came...   Apr 19 2016, 01:04 AM
|- - belleraphon1   Thank you so much pandaneko Been waiting for your...   Apr 19 2016, 05:54 PM
|- - pandaneko   Page-16 Result of observation (3) by IR1(1...   Apr 19 2016, 11:39 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page-17 Observstion result (1) by IR 2 (2m...   Apr 19 2016, 11:41 PM
|- - pandaneko   I now have located a copy of another, earlier JAXA...   Apr 20 2016, 04:15 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-19 Test observation result (1) by LIR...   Apr 20 2016, 11:52 PM
- - elakdawalla   I just want to chime in a note of thanks to you fo...   May 3 2016, 01:01 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-30 Example 3: Clarifyinng mechanism for comp...   May 4 2016, 12:12 AM
|- - pandaneko   I have this nagging thought. In fact, I have had i...   May 4 2016, 12:16 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-31 Example 4: Clarifying transport mechanism...   May 4 2016, 01:06 AM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (pandaneko @ May 4 2016, 01:16 AM) ...   May 4 2016, 05:10 AM
|- - JRehling   No spacecraft has ever entered a close-in circular...   May 4 2016, 05:48 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page-31 Example 5: (title): Clarifying atmosphe...   May 4 2016, 10:39 PM
||- - pandaneko   QUOTE (JRehling @ May 5 2016, 02:48 AM) A...   May 4 2016, 10:46 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page number of the last translated page shoud be 3...   May 4 2016, 10:52 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page-36 IR1: 1mm camera By using 1 mm wave lengt...   May 4 2016, 11:08 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page-37 IR2: 2mm camera 1. By using wave length...   May 5 2016, 02:05 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-38 LIR: Mid infra red camera This camera is...   May 5 2016, 05:29 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-39 UVI: Ultra violet imager By imaging the...   May 5 2016, 05:45 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-40 LAC: Lightening and atmospheric light cam...   May 5 2016, 06:06 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-41 USO: Ultra stable oscillator This is us...   May 5 2016, 07:03 AM
||- - pandaneko   In the immediate wake of this year's report I ...   May 5 2016, 07:59 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-3 Mission Objectives 1. Earth and Venus are...   May 5 2016, 08:26 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-4 Mission objective (above two graphical im...   May 5 2016, 08:28 AM
||- - pandaneko   Page-5 Main events up to now (right hand side str...   May 5 2016, 08:30 AM
|- - cndwrld   QUOTE (pandaneko @ May 4 2016, 02:16 AM) ...   May 5 2016, 08:29 AM
|- - pandaneko   cndwrid Gracias y mucho obligado. Le entiendo muy...   May 5 2016, 08:37 AM
|- - gwiz   You can get the same velocity change out of your p...   May 5 2016, 09:41 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-11 (Page title): Akatsuki's health Aka...   May 7 2016, 02:22 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-13 (Note that page-12 does not have characte...   May 7 2016, 02:50 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-15 Atmospheric circulation on earth type pla...   May 7 2016, 03:40 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-17 Various hypotheses about super rotation ...   May 7 2016, 03:58 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-18 How are sulfulic acid clouds formed on Ve...   May 7 2016, 08:38 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-19 (Top): Venusian activities and lightening...   May 7 2016, 09:17 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-21 Scientific instruments (1) 1. 1μm c...   May 7 2016, 11:10 PM
|- - pandaneko   Page-22 Scientific instruments (2) 5. Mid infra...   May 7 2016, 11:32 PM
|- - pandaneko   Page-25 Wind velocity field from tracing cloud bl...   May 8 2016, 12:02 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-27 Instrument status (bottom catption for ...   May 8 2016, 12:33 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-29 Observation plan after orbit insertion ...   May 8 2016, 08:35 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-30 This is about sucess criteria and it has ...   May 8 2016, 08:55 AM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (pandaneko @ May 8 2016, 05:55 PM) ...   May 9 2016, 04:43 AM
- - Hungry4info   I can't say for certain that this is the case,...   May 4 2016, 12:31 AM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ May 4 2016, 09:31 AM...   May 4 2016, 05:33 AM
- - hendric   Like in Akatsuki, sometimes the rockets for the at...   May 5 2016, 05:26 PM
|- - pandaneko   Page-6 Schedule on 6 December 2015 6/Dec d...   May 5 2016, 10:23 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page-7 Orbit diagram at time of orbit insertion a...   May 5 2016, 11:02 PM
||- - pandaneko   Page-8 (page title): Orbit at time of insertion a...   May 7 2016, 01:05 AM
|- - pandaneko   Page-9 (page title): Engines to be used (inside ...   May 7 2016, 01:45 AM
- - Paolo   atmosphere animations from IR2 (in Japanese) http...   May 23 2016, 06:29 AM
|- - JRehling   WOW. After I watched it about ten times, I noticed...   May 23 2016, 04:46 PM
|- - pandaneko   Thanks, Paolo The caption is as follows. Animati...   May 25 2016, 01:08 AM
|- - pandaneko   Big apologies! not 10 times, but yes, 10 degr...   May 25 2016, 01:13 AM
- - atomoid   Fascinating, its a 16-hour sequence.. I don't ...   May 23 2016, 11:16 PM
|- - JRehling   It's a challenge to get coverage sufficient to...   May 24 2016, 06:44 PM
- - nprev   Congratulations on your efforts being featured in ...   May 25 2016, 03:33 AM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (nprev @ May 25 2016, 12:33 PM) Con...   May 28 2016, 09:58 AM
- - colin_wilson   For what it's worth, here's my list of Ven...   Jun 16 2016, 09:27 AM
- - katodomo   Since you list flybys - the table is missing Ikaro...   Jun 16 2016, 12:46 PM
- - Paolo   a short update with lots of new images. first Venu...   Jul 29 2016, 07:04 AM
|- - JRehling   Those images are great. What's impressive is t...   Jul 29 2016, 06:44 PM
- - antipode   Nature Geoscience article. Abstract with some smal...   Jan 18 2017, 06:00 AM
- - Paolo   a release in Japanese, with descent size images: h...   Jan 18 2017, 12:39 PM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jan 18 2017, 09:39 PM) a r...   Jan 22 2017, 01:13 AM
|- - rlorenz   Some unhappy news http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/en/topic...   Mar 5 2017, 02:16 PM
|- - JRehling   With the loss of the IR cameras coming about 10 mo...   Jun 11 2017, 06:22 PM
- - Paolo   I read the paper in Nature geo. the impressive thi...   Jan 19 2017, 12:48 PM
- - Paolo   A new press release (in Japanese only, for the tim...   Aug 29 2017, 02:14 PM
|- - JRehling   I'm not able to read the full article, and Goo...   Aug 29 2017, 05:07 PM
|- - pandaneko   Thanks, Paolo I have translated this article as f...   Jan 2 2018, 03:42 AM
- - Paolo   the paper is now on arXiv: Equatorial jet in the l...   Sep 8 2017, 05:32 AM
- - Paolo   JAXA has released an image of Venus showing also t...   Dec 8 2017, 06:24 AM
- - elakdawalla   Augh, the site is timing out for me. If I can get ...   Dec 8 2017, 07:57 PM
- - Paolo   it worked this morning (European time) but now it...   Dec 8 2017, 08:19 PM
|- - JRehling   It's working for me now, for what it's wor...   Dec 11 2017, 04:22 PM
- - Ant103   I did some processing by myself after a dive into ...   Dec 22 2017, 10:49 AM
- - antipode   Wow! Awesome. Thanks Ant.... P   Dec 23 2017, 04:54 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   This is clearly a very interesting data set. These...   Dec 23 2017, 06:34 PM
- - marsbug   I've been away from this thread for far too lo...   Jan 7 2018, 12:03 AM
- - scalbers   One fine point about the main text. I think the vi...   Jan 7 2018, 12:38 AM
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