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Juno at Jupiter, mission events as they unfold
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post Jul 5 2016, 07:53 PM
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This topic will consist of discussion of Juno operations post-JOI until end of mission, currently anticipated in Feb 2018.


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post Oct 21 2016, 03:20 PM
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Along with many other space enthusiasts with limited time and attention, I tend to curb my fascination until missions are on station and ready to produce science data. Juno has recently come very close to reaching this status and I am just one of many now feeling a great eagerness to peel Jupiter like an onion and find out what's inside.

The two recent anomalies, even though apparently unconnected, still remind us that no space mission is easy and that alterations of the nominal plan are part of the game. If so, the only option is plenty of patience by the mission team and even more by those of us looking over their shoulders. We have to hope that that the cause of the problems, and some low-risk remedial measures, will become clear during the 54-day cruise out to apojove and back. It will be a relief if the spacecraft enters its planned science orbit, but if the engine problem is not fully understood and they can get the same data from a longer stay in the present orbit, then of course that risk-avoidant option looks pretty attractive.

But because I just can't help myself, I am curious to know if any of the non-photographic science data will be made public in real time, before the end of the mission and the crop of articles that will follow. I can very well understand why this might not be the case. If it takes longer than expected to assemble the full dataset, can we look forward to any interim hints about what is being learned?
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post Oct 21 2016, 04:55 PM
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I think, for the most part, Juno will not lend itself well to frequent science updates in the way that missions to Saturn, Mars, etc. have.

The deep-looking spectrometers are going to make observations at every (nominal) perijove, and that data – even from the first perijove alone – may do a pretty good job of answering a lot of the science questions. But the big catch is, the team expected to need to calibrate the analysis as the data came in. They're doing something tricky here, trying to determine the composition of Jupiter's deeper atmosphere by looking right through tens of kilometers of Jupiter's upper atmosphere. The team has already stated that they need to learn how to do this as the mission goes on, so the data we already have (?) may answer the questions, but it's going to be a work in progress to interpret that data. (Kepler was very much this way. The data was on the ground long before the analyses really got going. This was an ongoing process during and after the main mission.)

The radio science exploration of Jupiter's gravitational field will probably play out the same way for different reasons. There's no mystery as to what a single perijove's data will tell us, but the fidelity of the measurements will be refined with multiple observations, and 34 is a lot better than 1. I'm sure we'll have the opportunity for decent advances in understanding after, say, 8 or so perijoves, but it might be mere busywork and/or underwhelming PR for the team to keep releasing vague sets of partial results every month. This is a bit like the orbital alpha/neutron spectrometers on orbiters around the Moon, Mars, and Mercury. Some of the data came with each orbit, but they didn't release it in dribs and drabs, but waited until they had a respectable amount of the final data.

The magnetometer may be an exception to this. There may be something interesting seen right away. Who knows?

So, in a nutshell, I think Juno's going to require our patience. The day will come when we have a really nice data set with beautiful advances in our understanding of Jupiter, but it's not going to come in the form of constant wonderful headlines like Cassini gave us at Saturn. It's pretty amazing, and even surprising, that an orbiter is ultimately the type of mission that is giving us data about the depths of Jupiter. And, if one flyby could have done this fairly well, they might have launched a flyby mission and saved a ton of money.
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- nprev   Juno at Jupiter   Jul 5 2016, 07:53 PM
- - Gerald   Added the drafts for parts 3 and 4 to the same url...   Jul 21 2016, 04:04 PM
- - Don1   @Gerald....In the pictures that you posted in Post...   Jul 22 2016, 08:45 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (Don1 @ Jul 22 2016, 10:45 AM) @Ger...   Jul 22 2016, 10:29 AM
- - Don1   One more low sun angle picture from ISS. Jupiter h...   Jul 22 2016, 09:50 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Don1 @ Jul 22 2016, 01:50 AM) I th...   Jul 22 2016, 02:32 PM
- - Gerald   Draft processing of raw images of Jupiter approach...   Jul 22 2016, 12:56 PM
- - Gerald   Although comprising only parts 1 and 5 of the appr...   Jul 24 2016, 12:47 AM
- - Gerald   ... while rendering part 4 of the approach movie ....   Jul 24 2016, 01:30 PM
- - Gerald   Rendition of Jupiter approach movies completed. E...   Jul 24 2016, 05:26 PM
|- - Brian Burns   QUOTE (Gerald @ Jul 24 2016, 12:26 PM) Re...   Jul 25 2016, 07:19 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Brilliant - well done! Phil   Jul 24 2016, 11:13 PM
- - Gerald   Thanks, Phil! It has been an easy exercise com...   Jul 25 2016, 03:43 PM
- - Floyd   Gerald, Very nice work. Question, where does the...   Jul 25 2016, 08:08 PM
- - Gerald   @Brian Burns: Thanks! I hope so, too. I'm ...   Jul 25 2016, 08:39 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Gerald @ Jul 25 2016, 12:39 PM) I...   Jul 25 2016, 09:25 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jul 25 2016, 11:25 PM...   Jul 31 2016, 12:39 AM
- - Gerald   Thanks, well I had almost three years time to expe...   Jul 25 2016, 09:49 PM
- - Gerald   Animated gif of 4 images showing Ganymede's sh...   Jul 25 2016, 10:51 PM
- - Gerald   The annotated image showing Ganymede as source of ...   Jul 25 2016, 11:21 PM
- - Gerald   To find out the limiting magnitude for stars and p...   Jul 27 2016, 11:09 AM
- - craigmcg   moderators - might be good to have a separate thre...   Jul 27 2016, 06:11 PM
- - elakdawalla   Thanks, Gerald, for posting all your processed ima...   Jul 29 2016, 03:29 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jul 29 2016, 07:29 A...   Jul 29 2016, 05:00 PM
|- - elakdawalla   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jul 29 2016, 09:00 AM...   Aug 9 2016, 05:43 PM
- - Gerald   Thanks Emily, for taking this part! You're...   Jul 29 2016, 04:41 PM
- - wildespace   I took the liberty of colour-balancing Gerald...   Jul 31 2016, 09:14 AM
- - Gerald   The success of JunoCam outreach depends largely on...   Jul 31 2016, 11:33 AM
- - Gerald   A refined Jupiter Approach AVI. I've removed i...   Aug 1 2016, 03:30 PM
- - Gerald   Added still images of refined version. Besides im...   Aug 2 2016, 03:45 AM
- - JohnVV   Juno is on it's way back to Jupiter   Aug 2 2016, 04:13 AM
- - wildespace   If Juno will be passing over the night side of Jup...   Aug 2 2016, 09:02 AM
- - Gerald   Juno's trajectory will likely be suitable to p...   Aug 2 2016, 11:23 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I have been experimenting with the color in the Ju...   Aug 2 2016, 08:28 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 2 2016, 10:28 ...   Aug 2 2016, 09:08 PM
- - scalbers   Interesting to see the version that matches the gl...   Aug 2 2016, 08:41 PM
- - scalbers   I think the bright Earth clouds would be a better ...   Aug 2 2016, 10:44 PM
- - Gerald   Ah, yes, this could resolve the discrepancy. I...   Aug 3 2016, 12:54 AM
|- - scalbers   Nice to see your updated large Earth view. It is t...   Aug 9 2016, 05:47 PM
- - Gerald   Quantitative measurements of the structure and vel...   Aug 5 2016, 11:47 AM
- - Gerald   Based on images JNCE_2016164_00C196 to JNCE_201616...   Aug 8 2016, 11:18 PM
- - Gerald   Image JNCE_2016164_00C200 is sensitive to the numb...   Aug 9 2016, 05:04 PM
- - mcaplinger   To be honest, I'm not really sure what you...   Aug 9 2016, 05:29 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 9 2016, 07:29 PM)...   Aug 9 2016, 07:35 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Gerald @ Aug 9 2016, 11:35 AM) for...   Aug 9 2016, 08:36 PM
- - JohnVV   juno's location as of now -- some pretty pict...   Aug 9 2016, 06:52 PM
- - JohnVV   it has been ten days , juno is getting closer in i...   Aug 20 2016, 02:09 AM
- - Decepticon   Juno has started imagine correct?   Aug 20 2016, 05:07 AM
|- - MahFL   No NASA TV coverage of the first science pass ? In...   Aug 27 2016, 09:16 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Juno's closest approach occurred several hours...   Aug 27 2016, 07:44 PM
- - JohnVV   a repost of mine from a different forum from 6 am...   Aug 27 2016, 07:59 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   The flyby was a success!! Jupiter at range...   Aug 27 2016, 09:40 PM
- - Gerald   A roughly linearized version enhances the beauty o...   Aug 27 2016, 10:20 PM
- - ZLD   My take on the new image.   Aug 28 2016, 02:26 AM
- - wildespace   Lookin' good! But what is that vertical co...   Aug 28 2016, 08:29 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (wildespace @ Aug 28 2016, 10:29 AM...   Aug 28 2016, 11:41 AM
- - Marvin   Saturn's north pole hexagon may be unique. Th...   Aug 28 2016, 03:06 PM
- - Ian R   Let's not forget that Pioneer 11 got our first...   Aug 28 2016, 03:31 PM
|- - JRehling   Keep in mind that Jupiter's cloud deck is very...   Aug 28 2016, 04:11 PM
- - antipode   QUOTE Let's not forget that Pioneer 11 got our...   Aug 28 2016, 10:32 PM
- - nprev   Worth remembering that Jupiter only has an axial i...   Aug 28 2016, 10:57 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I doubt there is a hexagon at Jupiter's poles....   Aug 28 2016, 11:09 PM
- - mcaplinger   https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/news/next-jupiter...   Oct 15 2016, 05:09 AM
- - Explorer1   Better safe than sorry, of course! And on the ...   Oct 15 2016, 06:58 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Oct 14 2016, 10:58 PM)...   Oct 15 2016, 04:29 PM
- - tanjent   In some respects the issues faced by the mission m...   Oct 15 2016, 02:57 PM
- - B Bernatchez   Would there be any problem with pressurizing the s...   Oct 18 2016, 03:59 PM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (B Bernatchez @ Oct 18 2016, 09:59 ...   Oct 18 2016, 06:59 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for the insight, Propguy; think it made a f...   Oct 18 2016, 11:18 PM
- - peter59   NASA’s Juno spacecraft entered safe mode Tuesday, ...   Oct 20 2016, 06:30 AM
- - tanjent   Along with many other space enthusiasts with limit...   Oct 21 2016, 03:20 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (tanjent @ Oct 21 2016, 07:20 AM) B...   Oct 21 2016, 04:13 PM
|- - JRehling   I think, for the most part, Juno will not lend its...   Oct 21 2016, 04:55 PM
- - elakdawalla   As for the image data, I got a pretty clear answer...   Oct 21 2016, 04:48 PM
- - tanjent   Yes, thanks. I certainly did not mean to imply tha...   Oct 22 2016, 02:42 AM
- - Gerald   There have been and will be intermediate updates o...   Oct 22 2016, 10:39 AM
- - PhilipTerryGraham   Has there been any word from the Juno team at all ...   Dec 19 2016, 04:17 AM
- - Explorer1   There was an issue with JIRAM. That's why it w...   Dec 19 2016, 04:55 AM
- - PhilipTerryGraham   Ahh yikes. I guess that also explains why JIRAM wa...   Dec 19 2016, 06:06 AM
- - mcaplinger   https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-j...rbit...   Feb 17 2017, 08:29 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 17 2017, 12:29 PM...   Feb 17 2017, 09:55 PM
- - stevesliva   Might be some interesting end of mission scenarios...   Feb 18 2017, 07:30 PM
- - Explorer1   If the main engine stays inoperable how would Juno...   Feb 19 2017, 05:32 AM
- - Tom Tamlyn   A tweet from Laurie Cantillo quotes Scot Bolton (J...   Feb 28 2017, 03:35 AM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Feb 28 2017, 04:35 AM...   Mar 1 2017, 08:14 PM
|- - JRehling   My jaw is dropping over Tom's post about preli...   Mar 2 2017, 06:51 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 2 2017, 10:51 AM) M...   Mar 2 2017, 07:10 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   There are a dozen or more Juno abstracts attached ...   Mar 3 2017, 03:47 AM
- - Gerald   Thanks! I appreciate very much the allowance t...   Mar 3 2017, 02:08 PM
- - tanjent   At some point in the mission, after n successful o...   Mar 30 2017, 03:57 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (tanjent @ Mar 29 2017, 07:57 PM) A...   Mar 30 2017, 04:15 AM
- - propguy   Just a short mission update. Today Juno does it l...   Sep 30 2019, 03:05 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for another fascinating and informative ins...   Sep 30 2019, 08:27 PM
- - propguy   Can't provide specifics but it was a good and ...   Oct 1 2019, 02:09 PM
- - Kevin Gill   Thank you propguy. Is there an updated schedule of...   Oct 1 2019, 08:16 PM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (Kevin Gill @ Oct 1 2019, 01:16 PM)...   Oct 2 2019, 03:33 AM
- - stevesliva   Neat release -- the pentagon of storms at the pole...   Dec 13 2019, 04:36 PM
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