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Question regarding Huygens surface video
sittingduck
post Dec 9 2016, 08:29 AM
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Recently I found a short animation of several of the images taken of the Titan surface by Huygens after it landed:

Link to animation.

I see that several objects appear to move in and out of frame, which I have read is attributed to fluffy aerosols kicked up from the surface settling down again.

My question is, what is the explanation for the object which appears to move horizontally from left to right? If it is in fact the same object in all 3 frames from frame 11-13, it appears at (x,y) pixel coordinates (74,290), (119,291), and (212,297). Is it something on the lens, drifting to the side perhaps?

Because I do not know how this sequence of images has been combined, and whether or not they are chronological or in reverse order, or whether there are missing intermediate frames, I cannot estimate the time that passes during the movement of this small blob.

Finally, is there a table somewhere with timestamps of all the Huygens triplets?

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Nick
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JRehling
post Dec 12 2016, 05:30 PM
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The jpeginess, as others noted, is far too great to take the details as indications of real objects.

Recently, I used my telescope camera with my microscope, and – although I should have expected this – I was struck by the lack of temporal variation that the telescope role had gotten me accustomed to. When you look through the Earth's entire atmosphere, things jiggle at all times. When you look through a centimeter of air, things don't.

The Huygens view is something in between. It's interesting that there's any variation here. That is, if we make sure that this is also true in the best possible version of this kind of display.

One really interesting piece of information we have is that the foreground is far closer than the background. If there are pure artifacts at work, then they ought to appear similar in kind in the foreground and the background. If there is something real there, seen in multiple instances, then we should see the scale vary based on distance.

Another thing we should expect to see in something physically real is a linear trend over 3+ frames. If things pop around randomly from frame to frame, there's no such evidence. If something appears to move, we can apply checks of significance vs. the probability of three "pops" of noise happening to align. This is similar to the math done in examining candidate planets in the Kepler data.

The potential is there to make a case for the reality of things in a Huygens video. We know that Huygens apparently altered its environment by boiling off some surface CH4, increasing its abundance in the air. We also know that Titan likely experiences a "snow" / ash of compounds that form in its upper atmosphere. Yet another possible phenomenon would be motions of light and shadow caused by clouds overhead (though this may be at odds with the observation that clouds are typically quite few and far between).

I'd love to see the possibility checked out thoroughly, but a display with highly visible squares all over the place doesn't seem like the data to start with.
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- sittingduck   Question regarding Huygens surface video   Dec 9 2016, 08:29 AM
- - elakdawalla   That looks incredibly JPEGgy, so I'd hesitate ...   Dec 9 2016, 08:28 PM
- - JohnVV   that animation is of SO LOW quality that it is 100...   Dec 11 2016, 11:49 PM
- - JRehling   The jpeginess, as others noted, is far too great t...   Dec 12 2016, 05:30 PM
|- - 4throck   The image sequence (in chronological order) shows ...   Dec 13 2016, 04:04 PM
- - algorimancer   I would have expected little change in the jpeg im...   Dec 13 2016, 06:16 PM
- - belleraphon1   This may be pertinent to the discussion http://ww...   Dec 14 2016, 02:01 PM
- - Spock1108   But those white dots are snowflakes / wads of aero...   Dec 15 2016, 08:36 PM
- - alan   I recall an initial mention of the alleged motion:...   Dec 15 2016, 10:22 PM
- - 4throck   I think that the issues mentioned (jpg compression...   Dec 16 2016, 10:30 AM
- - algorimancer   The Huygens descent imager (DISR) utilized a custo...   Dec 16 2016, 04:36 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Dec 16 2016, 08:36 ...   Dec 16 2016, 05:02 PM
||- - algorimancer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 16 2016, 11:02 AM...   Dec 16 2016, 05:35 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Dec 16 2016, 11:36 ...   Dec 18 2016, 12:15 AM
|- - Explorer1   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Dec 17 2016, 04:15 PM) T...   Dec 18 2016, 03:03 AM
|- - sittingduck   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Dec 18 2016, 01:15 AM) E...   Dec 18 2016, 12:36 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Dec 17 2016, 06:15 PM) ....   Dec 19 2016, 07:15 PM
|- - Stefan   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Dec 18 2016, 01:15 AM) E...   Jan 4 2017, 02:53 PM
- - PDP8E   algorimancer, Here is a fast cosine function I use...   Dec 17 2016, 05:53 PM


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