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post Oct 27 2017, 01:40 PM
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They finally found a chunk of something coming into the Solar System. Something much bigger than cosmic rays or dust particles.

Asteroid/comet in hyperbolic trajectory
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post Nov 4 2017, 08:50 AM
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The paper I mentioned above says at the end of page 1, that there is a discrepancy between the expected residence time of 2.5 Gyrs of a dust grain in the ISM and the expected lifetime of 0.5 Gyrs of a dust grain. Then they try to overcome this discrepancy by grain growth in cold molecular clouds (subsection 4.2):
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The only possible site of grain growth in the ISM are the dense molecular clouds of the cold phase of the ISM (Draine 1990).

With the presence of interstellar comets and asteroids, I'm not sure, whether this conclusion is evident, since new grains could also form by collisions of small dust grains with these larger bodies, such that we should get a secondary population of interstellar dust grains made of debris, possibly statistically comoving with the (rogue) asteroids and comets. If this turns out to be realistic, we should get information about "interstellar interlopers" by the analysis of interstellar dust.
Since there may exist many such unbound small bodies, some useful result regarding an origin could only be obtained, if these small bodies form themselves a more or less comoving cloud, inducing such a co-motion into the according presumed debris made of interstellar dust.
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post Nov 7 2017, 04:43 PM
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In our solar system, small (asteroid) and very small (dust) solid particles occupy a continuous distribution of size and occurrence, but there are many factors that hold constant in our solar system that will not hold for small bodies created galaxy-wide, and there are still more factors that will not hold constant for bodies that have crossed interstellar distances, and there is yet another striking selection effect in the fact that this thing survived a near-brush with the Sun.

The oldest stars in the universe would have no metals in them, just hydrogen and helium. There's no way to make a solid body out of those elements, so the source star has to be second generation, at least. But it might come from a system that has plentiful oxygen but nothing so heavy as iron or even silicon. Systems that are older will have fewer heavier elements, which would mean no rocks or even dust for the bodies in that system to begin accreting around. But it seems impossible for something made only of ice to survive that passage by the Sun, or even to be red. A younger system will have more of the elements to explain this thing's nature, but less time for the interstellar journey to have taken place. A lot of these factors are easy to mention in qualitative terms but are unconstrained quantitatively.

Other selection effects: Possibly the existence of giant planets that could have enabled a gravity assist to eject them this far, this fast. And that constrains the source star in ways that we don't yet understand. Juno and the newly-observed neutron star collision are both opportunities to learn the basics of how elemental/planet creation depends upon the stuff (nuclear chemistry) that's available.

So, there's a lot to learn about a lot. If anything, I think this discovery makes it seem worthwhile to prepare for future bodies, and if possible, to catch them and do in situ compositional analysis before they make any close approaches to the Sun.
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- Holder of the Two Leashes   Interstellar Interlopers   Oct 27 2017, 01:40 PM
- - Gladstoner   The estimated eccentricity of 1.19 (per Wikipedia)...   Oct 27 2017, 06:47 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Oct 27 2017, 07:47 PM...   Oct 27 2017, 07:05 PM
- - Paolo   I was surprised at first by the "low" ec...   Oct 27 2017, 07:04 PM
- - Paolo   the error bar for eccentricity is actually quite s...   Oct 27 2017, 07:13 PM
- - fredk   Thanks for that reference, Paolo. Still, there ha...   Oct 27 2017, 07:32 PM
|- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 27 2017, 02:32 PM) Sti...   Oct 27 2017, 09:09 PM
- - Gladstoner   For reference, a list of all 'hyperbolic' ...   Oct 27 2017, 07:51 PM
- - Paolo   many of these articles were written before a secon...   Oct 28 2017, 05:16 AM
- - JRehling   The challenges are obvious, but it would be nice t...   Oct 28 2017, 09:48 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 28 2017, 11:48 PM) ...   Oct 28 2017, 10:46 PM
- - Gladstoner   I recall reading several years ago about a year-ro...   Oct 28 2017, 11:12 PM
- - JohnVV   using the HORIZONS telnet ( yes telnet from the 70...   Oct 28 2017, 11:58 PM
|- - JRehling   TheAnt, Truly reaching this object will be quite ...   Oct 30 2017, 12:48 AM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 30 2017, 01:48 AM) ...   Oct 30 2017, 03:08 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Oct 30 2017, 10:08 AM) Af...   Oct 30 2017, 03:36 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Oct 30 2017, 04:08 PM) I ...   Oct 30 2017, 06:07 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Oct 30 2017, 07:07 PM)...   Oct 30 2017, 07:47 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Oct 30 2017, 08:47 PM) I ...   Oct 30 2017, 10:13 PM
- - Gladstoner   Path of approach of A/2017 U1 plotted in Voyager I...   Oct 30 2017, 05:40 AM
- - Gladstoner   I gather that it would be prudent to give this reg...   Oct 30 2017, 05:46 AM
- - Paolo   that was fast! Palomar Optical Spectrum of Hy...   Oct 30 2017, 05:52 AM
- - Floyd   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Oct 30 2017, 01:40 AM...   Oct 30 2017, 11:55 AM
|- - Ames   QUOTE (Floyd @ Oct 30 2017, 11:55 AM) The...   Oct 30 2017, 12:42 PM
- - Explorer1   If only it had been noticed earlier, before closes...   Oct 30 2017, 05:54 PM
- - fredk   It just depends on the velocity distribution of in...   Oct 30 2017, 10:36 PM
- - ngunn   I'd like to know the miss distance of its appr...   Oct 31 2017, 12:21 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 31 2017, 01:21 AM) I...   Oct 31 2017, 07:08 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Oct 31 2017, 08:08 PM)...   Nov 1 2017, 06:49 AM
- - fredk   That's called the impact parameter. It's ...   Oct 31 2017, 12:46 AM
|- - JRehling   I think the two most important kinds of scrutiny f...   Oct 31 2017, 06:25 PM
|- - Gerald   QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 31 2017, 08:25 PM) ...   Nov 1 2017, 08:02 PM
- - Phil Stooke   I'm afraid that's not quite how it works. ...   Oct 31 2017, 07:25 PM
- - fredk   The sun also doesn't help. The slingshot mech...   Oct 31 2017, 07:45 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 31 2017, 08:45 PM) The...   Oct 31 2017, 08:26 PM
- - fredk   For the sun, the outgoing speed will clearly be th...   Oct 31 2017, 09:58 PM
- - Paolo   and a second arXiv paper: Kinematics of the Inters...   Nov 1 2017, 07:05 AM
- - nprev   Going back to the object itself, interesting that ...   Nov 1 2017, 11:39 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 1 2017, 05:39 PM) Goin...   Nov 2 2017, 12:20 AM
- - Gerald   You'll probably need an environment, where lig...   Nov 2 2017, 02:10 AM
- - Gladstoner   Are there asteroids in the inner solar system with...   Nov 2 2017, 04:12 AM
- - Gerald   A coating of a few microns of a pigment like tholi...   Nov 2 2017, 10:37 AM
|- - JRehling   A/2017 U1 had no observed coma, so it had little i...   Nov 2 2017, 03:18 PM
||- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Nov 2 2017, 04:18 PM) A...   Dec 19 2017, 02:20 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 2 2017, 02:37 AM) Ama...   Nov 3 2017, 08:14 AM
- - fredk   Makes me wonder about capture: some extremely smal...   Nov 2 2017, 04:48 PM
- - Gladstoner   It has been hypothesized that comet 96P/Machholz c...   Nov 2 2017, 05:04 PM
- - Gerald   I wouldn't call the ejection of a small Jovian...   Nov 3 2017, 11:48 AM
- - Paolo   I suspect that the xenoasteroid's redness has ...   Nov 3 2017, 03:24 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 3 2017, 03:24 PM) I su...   Nov 3 2017, 10:48 PM
- - nprev   Pity we'll never get a high-res image of it. I...   Nov 3 2017, 07:56 PM
- - Gerald   I wonder, how this observation of an extrasolar as...   Nov 3 2017, 11:28 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 4 2017, 12:28 AM) So,...   Nov 4 2017, 11:21 PM
- - Paolo   IIRC interstellar grains are mostly supposed to fo...   Nov 4 2017, 06:32 AM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 4 2017, 07:32 AM) I re...   Nov 25 2017, 04:22 PM
- - Gerald   The paper I mentioned above says at the end of pag...   Nov 4 2017, 08:50 AM
|- - JRehling   In our solar system, small (asteroid) and very sma...   Nov 7 2017, 04:43 PM
- - Paolo   a new naming convention for interstellar objects: ...   Nov 7 2017, 09:09 AM
- - stevesliva   You omitted the 1, which when you get down to thin...   Nov 7 2017, 02:19 PM
- - Paolo   a good update on what's known about 'Oumua...   Nov 12 2017, 07:39 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 12 2017, 07:39 AM) a g...   Nov 12 2017, 01:33 PM
- - djellison   The spacecraft would not have survived the trip. ...   Nov 12 2017, 03:31 PM
- - hendric   With all the hot Jupiters we've discovered, I ...   Nov 13 2017, 04:36 PM
|- - JRehling   Hot Jupiters are relatively rare. We discovered so...   Nov 14 2017, 04:31 PM
- - Hungry4info   With as deep in their star's gravitational wel...   Nov 13 2017, 04:55 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 13 2017, 05:55 P...   Nov 13 2017, 06:40 PM
- - hendric   Well, my assumption was that the source solar syst...   Nov 13 2017, 07:59 PM
- - fredk   Here's a twist - a paper looking at the possib...   Nov 17 2017, 03:37 PM
- - nprev   Well...at least it's a testable hypothesis if ...   Nov 18 2017, 07:09 AM
- - dudley   Examination of the light curve of Oumuamua as it r...   Nov 18 2017, 04:10 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 18 2017, 05:10 PM) Ex...   Nov 18 2017, 04:21 PM
|- - Explorer1   QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 18 2017, 11:10 AM) Ex...   Nov 18 2017, 05:18 PM
|- - dudley   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 18 2017, 05:18 PM)...   Nov 18 2017, 06:14 PM
- - fredk   It's not entirely clear what Occam would say a...   Nov 18 2017, 05:34 PM
- - Ron Hobbs   ESO has a press release out today with an artist...   Nov 20 2017, 06:00 PM
- - Gerald   Possibly a collision fragment. But figures of equi...   Nov 20 2017, 09:34 PM
- - dudley   The differences in reflectivity, through the cours...   Nov 20 2017, 11:11 PM
- - fredk   It's worth pointing out that the lightcurve br...   Nov 21 2017, 01:06 AM
- - dudley   The linked article is a few days old, so has the o...   Nov 21 2017, 02:31 AM
- - fredk   You can read in the original Nature paper linked i...   Nov 21 2017, 05:26 AM
- - Floyd   There must be Psyche-like bodies in other systems....   Nov 21 2017, 01:36 PM
- - Explorer1   Have we confirmed (from any 'precovery images...   Nov 22 2017, 12:17 AM
- - dudley   The trend in thinking about this object now, is th...   Nov 22 2017, 03:22 AM
- - TheAnt   So we have to accept that 1I/2017 U1 truly have on...   Nov 22 2017, 03:20 PM
|- - dudley   QUOTE (TheAnt @ Nov 22 2017, 04:20 PM) So...   Nov 22 2017, 08:15 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 22 2017, 09:15 PM) A ...   Nov 23 2017, 11:20 PM
- - Ron Hobbs   The artwork from M. Kornmesser at ESO is the APOD ...   Nov 22 2017, 05:16 PM
- - Gladstoner   Objects in our solar system have been subjected to...   Nov 23 2017, 12:03 AM
- - dudley   Perhaps Oumuamua was ejected from its home system ...   Nov 23 2017, 02:16 AM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (dudley @ Nov 22 2017, 08:16 PM) Sh...   Nov 23 2017, 06:36 AM
- - Gerald   As far as I understood, any detectable cometary ac...   Nov 23 2017, 03:04 PM
- - nprev   ADMIN NOTE: Two posts in violation of rule 1.3 rem...   Nov 23 2017, 04:38 PM
- - dudley   The length of Oumuamua was first given as 180, and...   Nov 24 2017, 06:40 PM
- - nprev   I haven't seen error bars for any of these mea...   Nov 24 2017, 07:21 PM
- - fredk   Adding to nprev's comments, the lightcurve onl...   Nov 24 2017, 09:09 PM
|- - JRehling   In real estate, the three most important things ar...   Nov 25 2017, 07:08 AM
- - Floyd   Excellent point on multiple rounds of exceptional ...   Nov 25 2017, 02:09 PM
- - Gerald   This seems to be within the possible scenarios on ...   Dec 19 2017, 09:56 AM
|- - JRehling   It seems like the number of possible hypotheses is...   Dec 20 2017, 04:25 AM
- - nprev   We've got evidence that many systems have plan...   Dec 20 2017, 05:41 AM
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