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post Nov 26 2018, 08:20 PM
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Congratulations to the InSight team on a successful landing! We'll discuss the remainder of the mission here. smile.gif


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post Dec 1 2018, 07:57 PM
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With respect to the dust cover effectiveness. Here's some potentially useful context from Curiosity (I have no information on the InSight covers specifically)

Because the HazCams were a build to print of MER, they had already been qualification tested in a no-dust cover configuration when the risk of dirty HazCams was identified as requiring mitigation. As a result, the dust covers were not allowed to actually touch the lens assembly of the HazCam (to a avoid driving forces into the lens assembly that the camera was not qualified for). So it was accepted going in that they did not make a perfect seal. The cover hardware created a tortuous path that would require any dust to make 180 and 90 degree turns before ending up on the lens.

The dust cover implementation was a balance of not doing anything that would hurt the camera, against having the best cover possible. Lots of discussions and working with the camera team to arrive at something everyone was satisfied with.

Since InSight re-used a spare HazCam, the same 'no touch' requirement may have been imposed on this dust cover. It's possible that the dust and engine exhaust flow environment created by the lander engines is different than a rover under a skycrane, which allowed more dust to get around the cover onto the glass.

My impression (based on everything I've read online) is that the current view will be completely OK for the uses of this camera. Dust on Curiosity's HazCams was more of a concern in terms of meeting mission requirements for drive distances - using the NavCams as backup hazard avoidance makes driving much slower.

Edit: I also think if you look at the Sol 0 picture with the covers on, and the picture right before the covers deploy on Sol 4 - there is a lot of motion of the larger dust on the cover within that time. So there seems to be a lot of wind moving dust around.
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- nprev   InSight Surface Operations   Nov 26 2018, 08:20 PM
- - nprev   Big error on the graphic in that article, though; ...   Dec 1 2018, 01:18 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 1 2018, 01:18 AM) Big ...   Dec 1 2018, 01:33 AM
- - Deimos   Still dusty on ICC, but coolness above: https://ma...   Dec 1 2018, 02:28 AM
- - nprev   Is the ICC cover still on, then?   Dec 1 2018, 02:37 AM
|- - ddeerrff   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 30 2018, 08:37 PM) Is ...   Dec 1 2018, 02:53 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 30 2018, 06:37 PM) Is ...   Dec 1 2018, 03:20 AM
- - James Sorenson   I think the wind is already starting to clean the ...   Dec 1 2018, 03:22 AM
- - Phil Stooke   No, the circular outline is gone - dust must have ...   Dec 1 2018, 03:24 AM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Nov 30 2018, 08:24 P...   Dec 1 2018, 03:55 AM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 30 2018, 09:55 PM) I...   Dec 1 2018, 07:42 AM
||- - fredk   QUOTE (hendric @ Dec 1 2018, 08:42 AM) St...   Dec 1 2018, 03:09 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (propguy @ Nov 30 2018, 07:55 PM) I...   Dec 1 2018, 10:06 AM
|- - Explorer1   QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Dec 1 2018, 05:06 AM...   Dec 1 2018, 02:48 PM
- - PaulH51   Nice work James Also from sol 4 Arm / Scoop moveme...   Dec 1 2018, 03:27 AM
- - James Sorenson   Propguy, I think we will deal. If it weren't ...   Dec 1 2018, 04:02 AM
- - jccwrt   Tried some debanding on one of the new MarCO-B ima...   Dec 1 2018, 04:13 AM
- - nprev   Real curious now to see just how much dust might...   Dec 1 2018, 10:51 AM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 1 2018, 03:51 AM) Real...   Dec 1 2018, 04:28 PM
- - Steve G   Latest raw images showing the arm getting it's...   Dec 1 2018, 02:13 PM
- - pospa   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Dec 1 2018, 04:48 PM) ...   Dec 1 2018, 03:11 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (pospa @ Dec 1 2018, 04:11 PM) Of c...   Dec 1 2018, 05:08 PM
- - Decepticon   Im confused. Is the Protective cap on the camera ...   Dec 1 2018, 03:11 PM
- - Explorer1   No; it came off just fine. There just seems to ha...   Dec 1 2018, 03:15 PM
- - Steve G   I always wondered why MSL rovers aren't equipp...   Dec 1 2018, 05:49 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Steve G @ Dec 1 2018, 09:49 AM) th...   Dec 1 2018, 06:00 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Steve G @ Dec 1 2018, 09:49 AM) th...   Dec 1 2018, 07:10 PM
- - Phil Stooke   A bit more on the use of the arm for digging etc. ...   Dec 1 2018, 07:23 PM
- - marsman2020   With respect to the dust cover effectiveness. Her...   Dec 1 2018, 07:57 PM
- - mcaplinger   The dust on the ICC lens makes me wonder how dusty...   Dec 1 2018, 08:15 PM
|- - JRehling   Moment of well-meaning pedantry here: Weight and m...   Dec 1 2018, 08:25 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 1 2018, 12:25 PM) I...   Dec 1 2018, 09:30 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 1 2018, 02:30 PM)...   Dec 3 2018, 03:03 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 1 2018, 08:25 PM) M...   Dec 1 2018, 09:36 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (MahFL @ Dec 1 2018, 01:36 PM) As i...   Dec 1 2018, 10:20 PM
- - Ant103   I did a little something on the last ICC image. Ye...   Dec 1 2018, 11:25 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (Ant103 @ Dec 1 2018, 11:25 PM) I d...   Dec 2 2018, 02:28 AM
- - marsophile   https://mars.nasa.gov/insight-raw-images/su...0000...   Dec 2 2018, 01:09 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (marsophile @ Dec 1 2018, 05:09 PM)...   Dec 2 2018, 01:22 AM
|- - PaulH51   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 2 2018, 09:22 AM)...   Dec 2 2018, 09:02 AM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Dec 2 2018, 10:02 AM) Do...   Dec 2 2018, 05:30 PM
- - Floyd   Having the Sun in the corner of the frame often do...   Dec 2 2018, 01:15 AM
- - Steve G   Great work! The equirectangular projection rea...   Dec 2 2018, 01:41 AM
- - fredk   Phil-o-vision, 3x vertical, of Ant's reproject...   Dec 2 2018, 01:59 AM
- - ronatu   Mars....   Dec 2 2018, 03:13 AM
- - djellison   The IDC moves. That range data would only be vali...   Dec 2 2018, 03:20 PM
- - Ant103   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 2 2018, 02:22 AM)...   Dec 2 2018, 07:21 PM
- - PDP8E   I cleaned up all the fisheye 'lens cover...   Dec 3 2018, 02:17 AM
|- - xflare   QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 3 2018, 02:17 AM) I cl...   Dec 3 2018, 06:44 AM
|- - peter.neaum   QUOTE (xflare @ Dec 3 2018, 06:44 AM) Is ...   Dec 3 2018, 07:27 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Because 'weight' is ambiguous - might refe...   Dec 3 2018, 04:59 AM
- - serpens   Mass is a constant. Weight is a locational variab...   Dec 3 2018, 06:25 AM
- - Station   I decided not to wait any longer for Mars' dus...   Dec 3 2018, 09:09 AM
- - Decepticon   Great work!   Dec 3 2018, 09:36 AM
- - Floyd   If static charge is a problem attracting particles...   Dec 3 2018, 12:07 PM
- - nprev   Very nicely done, Station! Re static charge, ...   Dec 3 2018, 01:27 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 3 2018, 06:27 AM) Re s...   Dec 3 2018, 06:15 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Dec 3 2018, 06:15 PM) M...   Dec 3 2018, 07:30 PM
- - elakdawalla   I asked Justin Maki what is happening to the image...   Dec 3 2018, 05:13 PM
- - Mercure   It is a bit ironic that Humanity put a lander on M...   Dec 3 2018, 08:27 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (Mercure @ Dec 3 2018, 12:27 PM) It...   Dec 3 2018, 08:54 PM
- - atomoid   The apparent descent thruster scour marks seem to ...   Dec 3 2018, 09:27 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Good point about the rock! Phil   Dec 3 2018, 09:33 PM
- - kenny   Emily quotes Justin Maki above as saying : Once t...   Dec 3 2018, 10:20 PM
- - djellison   The ICC cover has been opened. The current dust i...   Dec 3 2018, 10:41 PM
|- - MahFL   A new image is down. https://mars.nasa.gov/insigh...   Dec 3 2018, 11:53 PM
|- - PaulH51   QUOTE (MahFL @ Dec 4 2018, 07:53 AM) A ne...   Dec 4 2018, 01:36 AM
- - elakdawalla   It's great that dust is flying off, but until ...   Dec 4 2018, 06:21 AM
- - elakdawalla   I'm actually really intrigued by how deep the ...   Dec 4 2018, 06:22 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2018, 07:22 AM...   Dec 4 2018, 10:00 AM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2018, 07:22 AM...   Dec 4 2018, 10:08 AM
|- - pioneer   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2018, 07:22 AM...   Dec 4 2018, 06:00 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (pioneer @ Dec 4 2018, 06:00 PM) A ...   Dec 4 2018, 08:15 PM
|- - atomoid   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Dec 4 2018, 12:15 PM) ...   Dec 4 2018, 10:11 PM
|- - RoverDriver   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Dec 4 2018, 12:15 PM) ...   Dec 5 2018, 12:44 AM
- - Paolo   am I the only one who sees linear features (thrust...   Dec 4 2018, 07:54 AM
- - kenny   I think that's correct about other lander foot...   Dec 4 2018, 09:09 AM
- - elakdawalla   Cool, thanks!   Dec 4 2018, 04:15 PM
- - hendric   Pretty much. "Real" quicksand requires ...   Dec 4 2018, 06:04 PM
- - serpens   Regardless of all the data from orbiters there is ...   Dec 4 2018, 09:51 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (serpens @ Dec 4 2018, 10:51 PM) Re...   Dec 5 2018, 12:18 AM
||- - Explorer1   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Dec 4 2018, 07:18 PM) ...   Dec 5 2018, 02:22 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (serpens @ Dec 4 2018, 09:51 PM) Re...   Dec 5 2018, 01:18 AM
- - djellison   That’s not how the landing works. At a certain alt...   Dec 4 2018, 09:57 PM
- - Phil Stooke   "Curiosity did a hole in one in a small crate...   Dec 4 2018, 10:00 PM
- - Paolo   Propguy will surely know more about this. my gues...   Dec 5 2018, 05:24 AM
|- - propguy   QUOTE (Paolo @ Dec 4 2018, 10:24 PM) Prop...   Dec 5 2018, 05:43 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (propguy @ Dec 5 2018, 06:43 AM) .....   Dec 5 2018, 03:23 PM
- - Ant103   About making a flatfield image of the ICC, how abo...   Dec 5 2018, 12:31 PM
- - fredk   It's really hard to flatfield fisheyes. I dou...   Dec 5 2018, 02:44 PM
- - hendric   I recall seeing a NASA Announcement of Opportunity...   Dec 5 2018, 04:01 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (hendric @ Dec 5 2018, 05:01 PM) I ...   Dec 5 2018, 05:43 PM
- - stevesliva   Takeoff? Crazy. On the other hand, venting the ...   Dec 5 2018, 04:17 PM
- - nprev   ADMIN NOTE: Although this is indeed a very slow-pa...   Dec 5 2018, 07:23 PM
- - HSchirmer   Ah, well, is the seismometer active as it sits on...   Dec 5 2018, 07:58 PM
- - hendric   This article has great info on meteor streams at M...   Dec 5 2018, 08:36 PM
|- - JRehling   I would not expect meteor showers to cause impacts...   Dec 5 2018, 09:38 PM
- - paraisosdelsistemasolar   We have new images from the SEIS instrument tweete...   Dec 6 2018, 08:25 AM
- - climber   Yes...but those images are not yet on the raw imag...   Dec 6 2018, 12:06 PM
- - PaulH51   QUOTE (climber @ Dec 6 2018, 08:06 PM) Ye...   Dec 6 2018, 12:11 PM
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