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NH Arrokoth (formerly Ultima Thule) Encounter Observations & Results, post-flyby discussion as the data arrives
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post Jan 4 2019, 01:16 AM
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This will be where we talk about the data as it arrives over the next 20 months or so.


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post Jan 25 2019, 08:14 PM
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Some speculation based on the last image two-frame rotating image...

In the rotational image it seems as if there was not one, but two rings of bright material: the central one, and another one to the lower left side of the image. If this is a remnant of an ancient contact point between Ultima and Thule, I speculate that one of them was an earlier contact point and a later impact made Thule roll over Ultima creating the second ring. The exact place where the rolling happened could be the bright patch of material that is where both possible rings find each other. Since the lower left area apparently has two small craters / sinkholes, it would be the most ancient area.

In Thule there appears to be two different types of terrain. Right on the top we see some possible cratering, as well as on the right side of the depression / crater. But the central left side of the depression / crater appears smooth to a certain degree. This may be due to lightning conditions, but I think that an impact has enough kinetic energy as to melt partially the material in Thule and make it flow over older terrain. With such a low gravity, most of the splash would be lost but the melting could flow that way. The "melting" also seems to hide a bright line, that could be the ancient contact point between Ultima and Thule: it appears to be an arc of roughly the same size of the other rings in the current contact area and in Ultima. If so, stretching the hypothesis the V in Thule could correspond to the marking of the rolling: in Ultima we see two well-defined arcs touching, and the V in Thule would be the remnant of one of the sides of the touching arc. Also, the crater / depression has no clean border which could be explained by the melting hypothesis.

So the story of these bodies, according to these speculations, would be:

1. Formation of both bodies and for some unknown mechanism they eventually enter in contact. Original contact point is the central circle on Ultima.

2. Some moderate impact causes Thule to roll over Ultima, possibly from a not strong contact equilibrium position. This creates a second neck, the lower-left circle that seems more visible in the rotation image.

3. A bigger impact creates the crater / depression seen in Thule, splitting the contact binary and causing both bodies to change rotation axis. Eventually both bodies came into contact again, in the position we see nowadays. Impact creates enough cynetic energy as to partially melt the surface of the bodies, causing the flows we see and partially erasing the original contact rings in Thule, as well as melting the crater borders. Ejecta orbits the plane of the impact until collisioning with both bodies, littering the craters we see near the border of both bodies. Since ejecta impactors are small, melting is on a smaller scale and don't cause flows.

Against these hypothesis: there appears to be some sort of flow on Ultima, or at least similarities in the surface features, yet the rings are dimmed but not erased. This could mean that the flow is not such, but the rain of fine debris from the impact. The original impactor would then be the source of most impact craters we see in the border: we can see in the high-resolution image at least a couple of craters of a similar size in the (2) ancient neck, so at least from current data it seems that craters have a clear distribution over both surfaces.

As for the mechanism of making both bodies end up contacting, the only idea that comes into my mind is that since both bodies are fairly irregular in shape, the micro-gravity field should be far from homogeneous causing losses over time as mutual rotations cause shifts in the gravity field, so orbit would degrade over time. But I have no expertise in orbital mechanics, so I don't know if I just said something stupid here.
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- nprev   NH Arrokoth (formerly Ultima Thule) Encounter Observations & Results   Jan 4 2019, 01:16 AM
- - Roman Tkachenko   Just made it a little smoother   Jan 6 2019, 02:40 AM
- - Decepticon   Can we expect more images by Friday 11th?   Jan 6 2019, 11:30 PM
- - Gladstoner   Which areas of Ultima Thule got the highest resolu...   Jan 7 2019, 07:40 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Jan 7 2019, 08:40 AM)...   Jan 7 2019, 10:29 PM
|- - john_s   The LORRI field of view in the highest-resolution ...   Jan 7 2019, 11:46 PM
- - nprev   Posts concerning the search for a new target after...   Jan 7 2019, 03:39 PM
- - hendric   New Horizons is in solar conjunction, I think new ...   Jan 7 2019, 04:05 PM
|- - WTW   QUOTE (hendric @ Jan 7 2019, 04:05 PM) Ne...   Jan 8 2019, 08:18 AM
- - Ron Hobbs   Canberra is listening and talking to New Horizons ...   Jan 10 2019, 04:11 AM
|- - Nafnlaus   QUOTE (Ron Hobbs @ Jan 10 2019, 04:11 AM)...   Jan 10 2019, 12:19 PM
- - vikingmars   An excellent article was just posted by the NH tea...   Jan 11 2019, 10:16 AM
|- - wildespace   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Jan 11 2019, 10:16 AM...   Jan 12 2019, 09:50 AM
- - pioneer   Does anyone know when the next press conference wi...   Jan 11 2019, 05:52 PM
- - alex_k   Trying to sharpen   Jan 13 2019, 09:47 AM
- - fredk   It's hard to know without seeing the raw image...   Jan 13 2019, 02:50 PM
- - kenny   The interesting light color at the "neck...   Jan 13 2019, 10:00 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (kenny @ Jan 13 2019, 11:00 PM) The...   Jan 13 2019, 11:29 PM
|- - JTN   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Jan 13 2019, 11:29 PM)...   Jan 14 2019, 01:19 AM
- - JTN   Tidbit from Alan Stern on Twitter yesterday: ...   Jan 14 2019, 10:01 AM
|- - Alan Stern   QUOTE (JTN @ Jan 14 2019, 11:01 AM) Tidbi...   Jan 14 2019, 10:26 PM
|- - peikojose   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Jan 14 2019, 06:26 PM...   Jan 15 2019, 12:55 AM
|- - John Moore   QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Jan 14 2019, 10:26 PM...   Jan 15 2019, 02:51 AM
- - alex_k   An animation about details. Quality of 4:22 LORRI ...   Jan 14 2019, 02:00 PM
- - Marcin600   A slightly more elongated and less round shape of ...   Jan 15 2019, 07:18 PM
- - Marcin600   New movie from 500000 km to 28000 km: http://pluto...   Jan 16 2019, 12:00 AM
|- - Øyvind G   QUOTE (Marcin600 @ Jan 16 2019, 01:00 AM)...   Jan 16 2019, 01:04 AM
|- - john_s   Oops! Sorry about that. John   Jan 16 2019, 01:27 AM
- - Ian R   Wonderful images! Amazing how a slew of pictur...   Jan 16 2019, 07:19 AM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (Ian R @ Jan 16 2019, 12:19 AM) I t...   Jan 17 2019, 12:00 PM
|- - Ian R   QUOTE (john_s @ Jan 17 2019, 12:00 PM) Th...   Jan 18 2019, 05:37 PM
- - Ian R   My speculation is that the two lobes were never in...   Jan 16 2019, 08:19 AM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (Ian R @ Jan 16 2019, 09:19 AM) My ...   Jan 16 2019, 08:38 AM
- - Marcin600   For example, two bodies could be originally separa...   Jan 16 2019, 09:03 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Marcin600 @ Jan 16 2019, 04:03 AM)...   Jan 16 2019, 03:40 PM
- - pdalek   Ultima Thule looks like a snowman. A big snowman ...   Jan 17 2019, 05:33 AM
- - Marcin600   As Stevesilva supposes, the slightly flattened sha...   Jan 17 2019, 08:15 AM
- - Explorer1   New post from Alan: http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-C...   Jan 18 2019, 05:13 AM
- - Roman Tkachenko   I just played around with the sequence https://ww...   Jan 18 2019, 09:28 AM
- - alex_k   Looking for surface features. Strong Fourier-based...   Jan 18 2019, 03:00 PM
- - alan   What would happen when a body the size of one of U...   Jan 18 2019, 07:54 PM
- - kenny   Analysis of Ultima Thule comparing its morphology ...   Jan 21 2019, 07:27 PM
|- - john_s   The current best image (a big improvement over the...   Jan 24 2019, 08:53 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Wow, that is a fantastic image - I have just playe...   Jan 24 2019, 09:48 PM
- - Marcin600   An amazing object!!! And it is becomin...   Jan 24 2019, 10:28 PM
- - Gladstoner   This faint white ring is... interesting: So far...   Jan 24 2019, 10:36 PM
- - Explorer1   Amazing new image! It really does look more li...   Jan 24 2019, 10:51 PM
- - abalone   I get the impression that its possibly evidence of...   Jan 24 2019, 11:04 PM
- - hendric   Yeah that's my thought too, kinda like a kid w...   Jan 24 2019, 11:15 PM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (hendric @ Jan 25 2019, 12:15 AM) Y...   Jan 24 2019, 11:38 PM
- - Ian R   It's a jaw-dropping image: congratulations to ...   Jan 24 2019, 11:32 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Ian R @ Jan 25 2019, 12:32 AM) It...   Jan 25 2019, 05:48 AM
|- - Webscientist   Very nice work! Some "scientific artists...   Jan 25 2019, 04:38 PM
|- - Steve5304   I would think that you just don't have that mu...   Jan 25 2019, 05:59 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Jan 25 2019, 05:59 PM)...   Feb 1 2019, 08:00 AM
- - dudley   One side of that dim ring on Ultima appears to be ...   Jan 25 2019, 12:20 AM
- - serpens   The news article comments on differences in the ge...   Jan 25 2019, 07:01 AM
- - Ian R   The two best views of UT thus far (courtesy of LOR...   Jan 25 2019, 11:23 AM
|- - Steve5304   QUOTE (Ian R @ Jan 25 2019, 11:23 AM) The...   Jan 25 2019, 01:08 PM
- - stevesliva   If we think back to the fact that they're more...   Jan 25 2019, 02:26 PM
- - Gladstoner   The sparse cratering is intriguing. So far, the bo...   Jan 25 2019, 03:53 PM
- - tty   It seems to me that an impact as large as the one ...   Jan 25 2019, 07:07 PM
- - Marcin600   Small round pits are not necessarily impact crater...   Jan 25 2019, 07:30 PM
- - Rittmann   Some speculation based on the last image two-frame...   Jan 25 2019, 08:14 PM
- - wildespace   Exciting! Here's a version with some colo...   Jan 26 2019, 11:24 AM
- - tty   As for the mechanism bringing the bodies back toge...   Jan 26 2019, 12:29 PM
- - Spock1108   An attempt to add colors ...   Jan 26 2019, 04:13 PM
- - Roman Tkachenko   My attempt to improve the image. Not the best way ...   Jan 26 2019, 06:25 PM
- - ronatu   RE: NH Arrokoth (formerly Ultima Thule) Encounter Observations & Results   Jan 26 2019, 06:43 PM
- - jasedm   Following on from discussions about the surface ge...   Jan 26 2019, 07:23 PM
- - PhilipTerryGraham   I'm assuming the raw MVIC data downlinked thus...   Jan 26 2019, 10:03 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (PhilipTerryGraham @ Jan 26 2019, 02...   Jan 27 2019, 05:17 PM
- - Spock1108   It reminds me of someone ...   Jan 27 2019, 11:32 AM
- - JRehling   re: resurfacing, we're certainly looking at a ...   Jan 28 2019, 07:41 PM
|- - Gladstoner   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 28 2019, 01:41 PM) ...   Jan 28 2019, 09:12 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 28 2019, 08:41 PM) ...   Feb 9 2019, 11:39 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Feb 10 2019, 12:39 AM)...   Feb 10 2019, 07:49 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Paolo @ Feb 10 2019, 07:49 AM) MU6...   Feb 10 2019, 03:54 PM
- - Rittmann   Another mechanism comes to my mind for the white l...   Jan 29 2019, 05:11 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (Rittmann @ Jan 29 2019, 06:11 AM) ...   Jan 29 2019, 10:05 AM
|- - Fran Ontanaya   Ultima resembles a bit Atlas too, which would impl...   Jan 30 2019, 01:34 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 29 2019, 11:05 AM) I h...   Feb 1 2019, 03:49 PM
- - Gerald   During Rosetta's 67/P mission, there have been...   Jan 29 2019, 10:44 PM
- - alan   This model assumes gravitational instabilities for...   Jan 30 2019, 10:22 PM
- - Roman Tkachenko   Interpolated animation derived from CA04 LORRI and...   Feb 1 2019, 11:44 AM
- - alan   J. I. Katz, Ultima Thule (486958; 2014 MU69): Neck...   Feb 5 2019, 05:18 PM
- - AJAW   Will our estimate of the rotation rate ever become...   Feb 5 2019, 07:56 PM
- - alan   New Horizons' Evocative Farewell Glance at Ult...   Feb 8 2019, 07:30 PM
- - marsbug   I usually read with fascination but don't cont...   Feb 8 2019, 09:00 PM
- - Explorer1   Absolutely bizarre! A bit like the tiny moons ...   Feb 8 2019, 09:07 PM
- - Gladstoner   A little bit of Ultima-shine is visible on Thule: ...   Feb 8 2019, 11:08 PM
- - jccwrt   I realigned the MU69 departure movie on MU69 itsel...   Feb 9 2019, 03:43 AM
- - monty python   Bravo for the occultation fence photo. The movie o...   Feb 9 2019, 07:36 AM
- - dudley   Could it be that the problems of dissipating momen...   Feb 11 2019, 04:51 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (dudley @ Feb 11 2019, 05:51 PM) Co...   Feb 11 2019, 07:36 PM
|- - MahFL   Alan Stern tweeted, new pics tomorrow .   Feb 22 2019, 01:49 AM
- - stevesliva   My notes on the press conference remind me that it...   Feb 11 2019, 06:10 PM
- - Marcin600   Sharpest view of Ultima Thule: http://pluto.jhuapl...   Feb 22 2019, 07:17 PM
- - peikojose   Am I the only one that thinks that NH missed MU69 ...   Feb 22 2019, 07:46 PM
- - Explorer1   Amazing new views! QUOTE (peikojose @ F...   Feb 22 2019, 07:53 PM
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