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"Dragonfly" Titan explorer drone, NASA funds Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL)
Jaro_in_Montreal
post Dec 20 2017, 09:04 PM
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Is there a specific website for this Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) concept for a Titan explorer drone?
Looks to be an RTG powered machine, somewhat reminiscent of MSL Curiosity (RTG sticking out the tail end).
But no camera mast, ChemCam, or sampling arm visible in the concept illustration.

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Dec. 20, 2017
RELEASE 17-101
NASA Invests in Concept Development for Missions to Comet, Saturn Moon Titan
Dragonfly
Dragonfly is a drone-like rotorcraft that would explore the prebiotic chemistry and habitability of dozens of sites on Saturn’s moon Titan, an ocean world in our solar system.
Elizabeth Turtle from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Laurel, Maryland, is the lead investigator, with APL providing project management.


https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-inv...turn-moon-titan

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post Jul 2 2019, 10:49 PM
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...Dragonfly would advance 10 km per flight. Assuming one flight per Titan day ...

looks like that average 10km value already has baked into it having to operate largely within limited communication windows when Selk crater isn't occluded from comm link with Earth, which seems like it would consist of on/off 8-earth-day sessions as the 'Titan day' of activity, since despite autonomous abilities I suspect 'daily' uplinks are still going to be the basis of operation (and someone might do Celestia simulations to enlighten us on communications windows) so apparently no red-eye flights to increase that 10km, but in an extended mission scenario who knows, RTG power allowing.. seems the plan is to send Dragonfly purely on its own, no assistive communications relay or independent sister orbiter with its own suite of experiments, no MarCO analog with jumbo solar array.. but such are hopes and wishes and unlimited budgets...
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post Jul 3 2019, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (atomoid @ Jul 2 2019, 02:49 PM) *
...Dragonfly would advance 10 km per flight. Assuming one flight per Titan day ...

looks like that average 10km value already has baked into it having to operate largely within limited communication windows when Selk crater isn't occluded from comm link with Earth, which seems like it would consist of on/off 8-earth-day sessions as the 'Titan day' of activity, since despite autonomous abilities I suspect 'daily' uplinks are still going to be the basis of operation (and someone might do Celestia simulations to enlighten us on communications windows) so apparently no red-eye flights to increase that 10km, but in an extended mission scenario who knows, RTG power allowing.. seems the plan is to send Dragonfly purely on its own, no assistive communications relay or independent sister orbiter with its own suite of experiments, no MarCO analog with jumbo solar array.. but such are hopes and wishes and unlimited budgets...

One of the technical articles on Dragonfly showed an example power budget over a Titan day. Between the one flight, science, and communications to Earth, the battery was drawn down to about 30%. The craft then went into low power mode for the night with just occasional science activities to recharge the battery.

Another reason for no nighttime flights is that the navigation depends on assessing images taken in flight, which requires daylight.

QUOTE (atomoid @ Jul 2 2019, 02:49 PM) *
...Dragonfly would advance 10 km per flight. Assuming one flight per Titan day ...

looks like that average 10km value already has baked into it having to operate largely within limited communication windows when Selk crater isn't occluded from comm link with Earth, which seems like it would consist of on/off 8-earth-day sessions as the 'Titan day' of activity, since despite autonomous abilities I suspect 'daily' uplinks are still going to be the basis of operation (and someone might do Celestia simulations to enlighten us on communications windows) so apparently no red-eye flights to increase that 10km, but in an extended mission scenario who knows, RTG power allowing.. seems the plan is to send Dragonfly purely on its own, no assistive communications relay or independent sister orbiter with its own suite of experiments, no MarCO analog with jumbo solar array.. but such are hopes and wishes and unlimited budgets...

One of the technical articles on Dragonfly showed an example power budget over a Titan day. Between the one flight, science, and communications to Earth, the battery was drawn down to about 30%. The craft then went into low power mode for the night with just occasional science activities to recharge the battery.

Another reason for no nighttime flights is that the navigation depends on assessing images taken in flight, which requires daylight.


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post Jul 3 2019, 08:47 PM
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This is probably already in everyone's consciousness but day/night cycles and radio contact with Earth are almost equivalent, except for superior conjunction when the Sun will block radio contact.

A lander/flyer/floater at high latitudes, however, could spend several terrestrial years in continuous daylight and continuous radio contact with Earth. An equatorial landing site would mean almost uniform periods of day/night.

Terrain types on Titan correlate very strongly with latitude. The polar stuff and the equatorial stuff are almost literally two different worlds.
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- Jaro_in_Montreal   "Dragonfly" Titan explorer drone   Dec 20 2017, 09:04 PM
- - Y Bar Ranch   Wonder what kinds of information can be gathered b...   Jan 1 2018, 04:39 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Y Bar Ranch @ Dec 31 2017, 08:39 P...   Jan 1 2018, 03:30 PM
|- - Y Bar Ranch   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jan 1 2018, 10:30 AM) Tha...   Jan 1 2018, 10:44 PM
- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   I certainly hope for this mission. but ... if one ...   Jan 2 2018, 05:51 PM
|- - Explorer1   QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Jan 2 2018, ...   Jan 2 2018, 08:49 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jan 2 2018, 12:49 PM) ...   Jan 2 2018, 10:41 PM
||- - Webscientist   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jan 2 2018, 11:41 PM) How...   Jan 3 2018, 06:05 PM
||- - Webscientist   QUOTE (Webscientist @ Jan 3 2018, 07:05 P...   Jan 3 2018, 06:10 PM
|- - Habukaz   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jan 2 2018, 09:49 PM) ...   Jan 4 2018, 04:20 PM
- - fredk   QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Jan 2 2018, 07:23 PM...   Jan 2 2018, 06:54 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (fredk @ Jan 2 2018, 10:54 AM) Know...   Jan 2 2018, 07:56 PM
|- - JRehling   From half of Titan's surface, Saturn will be v...   Jan 6 2018, 08:15 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 6 2018, 12:15 AM) G...   Jan 6 2018, 06:26 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jan 6 2018, 10:26 AM) The...   Jan 7 2018, 03:31 AM
- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   iL kraken sea extends to 56 north. I think small l...   Jan 3 2018, 07:07 PM
- - scalbers   How about some twilight lake watching? https://ww...   Jan 3 2018, 11:25 PM
- - scalbers   At around 0.93 microns these images would be inter...   Jan 7 2018, 10:28 PM
- - Explorer1   A nice video overview from the PI: https://www.you...   Jan 17 2019, 12:22 AM
- - propguy   Announcement is out. Dragonfly is the next New Fr...   Jun 27 2019, 08:12 PM
- - charborob   According to this press release, launch in 2026 an...   Jun 27 2019, 08:55 PM
|- - Steve G   QUOTE (charborob @ Jun 27 2019, 12:55 PM)...   Jun 27 2019, 09:23 PM
- - pioneer   Interesting mission. I wonder how it will avoid l...   Jun 27 2019, 09:31 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 27 2019, 10:31 PM) I...   Jun 28 2019, 12:09 AM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (pioneer @ Jun 27 2019, 04:31 PM) I...   Jun 28 2019, 12:53 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Jun 28 2019, 01:53 A...   Jun 28 2019, 02:28 AM
- - nprev   Congrats to all involved! Should be a VERY exc...   Jun 27 2019, 10:01 PM
|- - JRehling   This is super exciting.   Jun 27 2019, 10:26 PM
- - Explorer1   Huygens was one of the highlights of my youth, and...   Jun 27 2019, 11:31 PM
- - volcanopele   Cassini RADAR mosaic of Selk and the surrounding e...   Jun 28 2019, 12:58 AM
- - Explorer1   Well, one thing that is guaranteed is Dragonfly fi...   Jun 28 2019, 02:52 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jun 27 2019, 10:52 PM)...   Jun 29 2019, 03:01 AM
- - vjkane   Ralph L: recovered from the celebration yet?   Jun 28 2019, 03:52 PM
- - vjkane   A year or so ago, the Cassini VIMS team released a...   Jun 28 2019, 03:58 PM
|- - JRehling   Here is a zoom to the region of Selk (upper center...   Jun 28 2019, 08:30 PM
|- - kymani76   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jun 28 2019, 04:58 PM) A ...   Jun 30 2019, 09:08 PM
- - lilmac   Exciting news. I find Titan to be the most fascina...   Jun 29 2019, 04:37 PM
|- - dolphin   QUOTE (lilmac @ Jun 29 2019, 05:37 PM) Ex...   Jun 29 2019, 04:39 PM
- - Superstring   Really excited about this! Question to anyone ...   Jun 29 2019, 10:32 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Superstring @ Jun 29 2019, 02:32 P...   Jun 29 2019, 11:11 PM
|- - MahFL   Most of the time DragonFly will be GroundFly...   Jun 30 2019, 02:41 AM
- - Decepticon   I was a little upset that we may not see any close...   Jun 30 2019, 04:34 AM
|- - JRehling   Titan has extraordinary diversity of surface units...   Jun 30 2019, 07:50 PM
|- - Webscientist   Great news! A major technological and scientif...   Jun 30 2019, 08:41 PM
|- - JRehling   Most locations in Titan's low latitudes did no...   Jun 30 2019, 09:01 PM
|- - Webscientist   For a presentation upon the Cassini-Huygens missio...   Jul 1 2019, 08:06 AM
|- - Webscientist   For the perspective, another one revealing the wor...   Jul 1 2019, 08:09 AM
- - ngunn   I like that liquid surfaces one. Just maybe you w...   Jul 1 2019, 06:02 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 1 2019, 07:02 PM) I li...   Jul 1 2019, 07:37 PM
|- - Webscientist   [quote name='ngunn' date='Jul 1 2019, ...   Jul 1 2019, 08:54 PM
|- - JRehling   Beautiful painting, ngunn! First I was struck ...   Jul 1 2019, 09:15 PM
- - titanicrivers   What a superb creation ngunn! I really like t...   Jul 1 2019, 07:12 PM
- - ngunn   I was thinking banks of icy shingle strewn here an...   Jul 1 2019, 07:36 PM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 2 2019, 06:49 AM) The...   Jul 2 2019, 03:40 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jul 2 2019, 08:40 AM)...   Jul 2 2019, 04:14 PM
- - atomoid   ...Dragonfly would advance 10 km per flight. Assum...   Jul 2 2019, 10:49 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (atomoid @ Jul 2 2019, 02:49 PM) .....   Jul 3 2019, 03:02 PM
|- - JRehling   This is probably already in everyone's conscio...   Jul 3 2019, 08:47 PM
- - climber   Did you notice that launch will be 29 years after ...   Jul 3 2019, 10:27 PM
- - elakdawalla   The launch being 1 Saturn year after Huygens is so...   Jul 25 2019, 05:06 PM
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|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jul 26 2019, 03:40 AM...   Jul 26 2019, 11:22 AM
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|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Jaro_in_Montreal @ Aug 19 2019, 05...   Aug 19 2019, 03:07 PM
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|- - vjkane   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 19 2019, 12:41 PM)...   Aug 20 2019, 06:23 AM
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|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Sep 4 2019, 09:53 ...   Sep 6 2019, 09:11 AM
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|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 5 2019, 01:37 AM) ...   Sep 5 2019, 02:21 AM
- - nprev   Gonna guess here that additional moving parts besi...   Sep 5 2019, 02:00 AM
- - mcaplinger   From https://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/News-and-Resou.....   Sep 5 2019, 06:33 AM
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|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (mrpotatomoto @ Sep 10 2019, 03:31 ...   Sep 11 2019, 11:29 PM
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|- - Jaro_in_Montreal   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 22 2019, 05:19 AM)...   Nov 22 2019, 07:18 AM
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