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vjkane
post Aug 8 2020, 05:14 PM
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I was hoping that NASA would select the Athena mission to do a flyby of Pallas using a cubesat spacecraft under the SIMPLEx program. It selected the Janus mission to flyby two near Earth asteroid binary systems instead. The Athena team plans to submit again.


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post Aug 22 2020, 12:40 AM
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ADMIN HAT ON: Alright. This thread was created from posts that veered wildly off-topic in a previous thread. It has now veered wildly off-topic from what seemed to be the topic it veered into. In fact, it has now essentially turned into a debate between two members about orbital mechanics.

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post Aug 22 2020, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 22 2020, 01:40 AM) *
ADMIN HAT ON: Alright. This thread was created from posts that veered wildly off-topic in a previous thread. It has now veered wildly off-topic from what seemed to be the topic it veered into. In fact, it has now essentially turned into a debate between two members about orbital mechanics.

If this persists the thread will be closed and archived.

Understood; and fair point, a polite discussion which has a run of 4 post by 2 members isn't unusual.
We're just starting to see cubesats for exploration, asking whether the delta-V is better spent by waiting to launch when you have an outward synodic alignment, or launching inward sooner and trying to make up the difference by an Oberth burn is, well, a cool and geeky question. The way that orbital mechanics was figured out was by people debating cool and geeky questions.

The first question I'm trying to get a handle on is that, while the Oberth effect is largest when "falling towards the object at rest from infinity" what percentage of this would be available when falling "from rest" at a L1 or L2 Lagrange point?

The second question whether the 28 day rotation of the Earth-Moon L1 & L2 points could be useful for sending the cubesats on their initial course via an Earth Oberth effect burn. See "The Lagrangian points of the real Earth-Moon system" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/28...rth-Moon_system

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- vjkane   Cubesats for Solar System Exploration   Aug 8 2020, 05:14 PM
- - antipode   That's good news vjkane! Cubesats for init...   Aug 9 2020, 12:14 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (antipode @ Aug 8 2020, 05:14 PM) T...   Aug 9 2020, 01:15 AM
|- - JRehling   Given the low mass of cubesats, I wonder about a m...   Aug 9 2020, 07:51 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 9 2020, 11:51 AM) G...   Aug 10 2020, 01:51 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 9 2020, 07:51 PM) G...   Aug 18 2020, 07:44 PM
|- - JRehling   1) Venus does not align more often for flybys; thi...   Aug 19 2020, 09:55 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 19 2020, 10:55 PM) ...   Aug 20 2020, 03:45 AM
- - antipode   You don't want to mix up your metric and imper...   Aug 18 2020, 10:34 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (antipode @ Aug 18 2020, 05:34 PM) ...   Aug 19 2020, 02:33 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (antipode @ Aug 18 2020, 11:34 PM) ...   Aug 19 2020, 02:40 AM
- - HSchirmer   Looks like the cubesat-solar sail is now in the ex...   Aug 20 2020, 06:04 PM
|- - JRehling   There are multiple reasons why the Sun is not an e...   Aug 21 2020, 01:43 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 21 2020, 02:43 AM) ...   Aug 21 2020, 02:59 AM
|- - JRehling   As a rule of thumb I keep in mind with orbital mec...   Aug 21 2020, 07:28 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 21 2020, 08:28 PM) ...   Aug 21 2020, 09:34 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 20 2020, 08:43 PM) ...   Aug 21 2020, 03:07 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Aug 21 202...   Aug 21 2020, 04:37 PM
- - nprev   ADMIN HAT ON: Alright. This thread was created fro...   Aug 22 2020, 12:40 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 22 2020, 01:40 AM) ADM...   Aug 22 2020, 01:32 AM
- - vjkane   This is a paper relevant to this topic Nanospace...   Aug 22 2020, 01:19 AM
- - mcaplinger   As interesting as the Oberth effect is, it seems t...   Aug 22 2020, 08:43 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 22 2020, 09:43 PM...   Aug 22 2020, 10:19 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Aug 22 2020, 02:19 PM)...   Aug 22 2020, 11:39 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 22 2020, 11:39 PM...   Aug 23 2020, 01:19 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Aug 22 2020, 05:19 PM)...   Aug 23 2020, 01:38 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 23 2020, 02:38 AM...   Aug 23 2020, 05:45 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Aug 23 2020, 05:45 PM)...   Aug 24 2020, 12:17 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Aug 23 2020, 09:45 AM)...   Aug 24 2020, 01:18 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 24 2020, 02:18 AM)...   Aug 24 2020, 10:09 AM
- - nprev   This discussion has degenerated into a bottomless ...   Aug 24 2020, 10:54 PM


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