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post Oct 18 2005, 05:47 PM
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Spaceweather (www.spaceweather.com) is reporting a dust storm on Mars visible in amateur telescopes. Hope we don't get too much dust-fall on the solar panels.... unsure.gif

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Bill Harris
post Oct 29 2005, 11:46 PM
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Could the dust storm be a serious matter for our intrepid explorer? I am assuming that if the dust storm does hit and decrease the solar panel output to below the minimum, Oppy can go into a deep sleep mode and wait the storm out, waking up once the storm clears. And if the solar panels get dusted over, we'll wait for a cleaning event. Or am I too accustomed to Oppy being The Energizer Mars Rover?

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post Oct 30 2005, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 30 2005, 12:46 AM)
Could the dust storm be a serious matter for our intrepid explorer?  I am assuming that if the dust storm does hit and decrease the solar panel output to below the minimum, Oppy can go into a deep sleep mode and wait the storm out, waking up once the storm clears.  And if the solar panels get dusted over, we'll wait for a cleaning event.  Or am I too accustomed to Oppy being The Energizer Mars Rover?

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We're talking End Of Mission!

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post Oct 30 2005, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 30 2005, 01:41 AM)
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We're talking End Of Mission!

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We're only talking end of mission if things get really bad and stay that way. Oppy's been generating somewhere in the 600Watt/hours per day range lately. An extended period where Tau is around 2 would reduce that by 20-30% which would make things more difficult but wouldn't kill her. A really major event (Tau~ 5) would bring that down to around 240 Watt/hours which is below the level that I think she needs to survive for an extended period. Even at that level though I think there would be enough juice to wake up and blip out a "Hello I'm still more or less alive" direct to earth message.

To give you an idea what a major planetwide storm would do - the second 1997 storm had Tau > 4 for approximately 36 Sols (based on a model from Viking data) and Tau >2 for about 80 sols. It's important to remember that the general consensus is that we're too late in the season for a storm like that.

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post Oct 30 2005, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 30 2005, 11:39 AM)
We're only talking end of mission if things get really bad and stay that way. Oppy's been generating somewhere in the 600Watt/hours per day range lately. An extended period where Tau is around 2 would reduce that by 20-30% which would make things more difficult but wouldn't kill her. A really major event (Tau~ 5) would bring that down to around 240 Watt/hours which is below the level that I think she needs to survive for an extended period. Even at that level though I think there would be enough juice to wake up and blip out a "Hello I'm still more or less alive" direct to earth message.

To give you an idea what a major planetwide storm would do - the second 1997 storm had Tau > 4 for approximately 36 Sols (based on a model from Viking data) and Tau >2 for about 80 sols. It's important to remember that the general consensus is that we're too late in the season for a storm like that.

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ok, I'm confident that the Rover could survive during the duration of most dust storms but the question is: how does the storm affect the accumulation on the solar panels *after* the storm ?

I'm afraid that the wind itself ceases long before the majority of the dust (very light particles !) eventually falls out of the atmosphere:

this could be bad because all the dust that had been kicked high up into the atmosphere would now slowly trickle out of the air like snow-flakes on a windless winter day, accumulating on the solar panels without the wind necessary to blow it away ...

Question for the experts (hevlick ?): how did the dust accumulation develop after past dust storms that Oppy observed ?

on the other hand if some of the increased wind activity associated with the dust storm continues shortly after much of the dust has fallen back to the ground, then
it could even improve the solar panel situation by "wind cleaning events"
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QUOTE (Nirgal @ Oct 30 2005, 10:37 PM)
ok, I'm confident that the Rover could survive during the duration of most dust storms but the  question is: how does the storm affect the accumulation on the solar panels *after* the storm ?

I'm afraid that the wind itself ceases long before the majority of  the dust (very light particles !) eventually falls out of the atmosphere:

this could be bad because all the dust  that had been kicked high up into the atmosphere would now slowly trickle out of the air like snow-flakes on a windless winter day, accumulating on the solar panels without the wind necessary to blow it away ...
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When I talked to Steve Squyres a few months back he said that dust accumulation on the panels after a storm was not a consern. Lets worry about the storm itself for now.

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- sranderson   Dust Storm   Oct 18 2005, 05:47 PM
- - helvick   Worth keeping an eye on but hopefully this will be...   Oct 18 2005, 06:28 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 18 2005, 01:28 PM)Worth ...   Oct 18 2005, 07:18 PM
- - vikingmars   Hope this one will NOT reach any MER rover ! H...   Oct 18 2005, 08:18 PM
|- - sranderson   Wow. Gets dark doesn't it. Are those piles o...   Oct 18 2005, 09:12 PM
||- - vikingmars   QUOTE (sranderson @ Oct 18 2005, 09:12 PM)Wow...   Oct 19 2005, 05:22 AM
||- - helvick   Handy site to keep an eye on this storm feature as...   Oct 19 2005, 10:25 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 18 2005, 09:18 PM) Ho...   Oct 18 2005, 09:30 PM
|- - pioneer   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 18 2005, 08:18 PM) Ho...   Oct 19 2005, 02:36 PM
- - fredk   Update on dust storm here with short interview wit...   Oct 20 2005, 11:45 PM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 24 2005, 09:04 PM)I...   Oct 24 2005, 09:34 PM
- - deglr6328   How frequently do global dust storms occur on Mars...   Oct 24 2005, 09:31 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 24 2005, 10:31 PM)How ...   Oct 24 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 25 2005, 07:31 AM)How ...   Oct 25 2005, 01:01 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 24 2005, 10:31 PM)How ...   Oct 29 2005, 02:49 PM
- - slinted   There is fresh activity being seen VERY close to O...   Oct 28 2005, 11:09 AM
|- - Nirgal   QUOTE (slinted @ Oct 28 2005, 01:09 PM)There ...   Oct 28 2005, 09:19 PM
- - djellison   I wonder what imagery Damien Peach has managed to ...   Oct 28 2005, 11:23 AM
- - Sunspot   Whoah !!! thats close. Would Opportun...   Oct 28 2005, 11:29 AM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Oct 28 2005, 11:29 AM)Whoah ...   Oct 28 2005, 11:41 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Oct 28 2005, 04:29 AM)Whoah ...   Oct 28 2005, 09:24 PM
- - Bill Harris   BTW, by convention, and I presume that they still ...   Oct 28 2005, 12:32 PM
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|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (akuo @ Oct 28 2005, 07:42 AM)I think t...   Oct 28 2005, 01:01 PM
|- - Rakhir   "Opportunity has seen some signs of the dust ...   Oct 28 2005, 09:26 PM
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|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 28 2005, 08:59 PM)On...   Oct 29 2005, 03:02 AM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 30 2005, 12:46 AM)Co...   Oct 30 2005, 12:41 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 30 2005, 01:41 AM)Bill:...   Oct 30 2005, 09:39 AM
|- - Nirgal   QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 30 2005, 11:39 AM)We...   Oct 30 2005, 12:37 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Oct 30 2005, 01:37 PM)Questio...   Oct 30 2005, 02:57 PM
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