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post Oct 18 2005, 05:47 PM
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Spaceweather (www.spaceweather.com) is reporting a dust storm on Mars visible in amateur telescopes. Hope we don't get too much dust-fall on the solar panels.... unsure.gif

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Bill Harris
post Oct 31 2005, 03:30 PM
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This didn't quite show what I'd hoped it would, but here it is for your FWIW file...

Here is a montage of four Forward Hazcam images from Sols 627, 626, 624 and 616 that semi-shows a build-up of dust in the atmosphere, but not conclusively.

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post Oct 31 2005, 03:44 PM
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The latest hazcam pictures show the shadow as being sharp - as I would expect.
BUT the shadowed zone is lighter indicating that there is more "ambient" light.

Think of the sky here on earth and compare the shadows on a cloudless day:
1) in a smoggy city (say LA)
2) in mountains.
Both have crisp edges but the contrast in the mountains is much higher.

The latest rear hazcam images definately show a reduced shadow contrast.

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post Oct 31 2005, 03:46 PM
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I imaging the stretching of the "raws" wrecks havoc on our ability to determine how much the brightness of the seen is effected.


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post Oct 31 2005, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Oct 31 2005, 04:46 PM)
I imaging the stretching of the "raws" wrecks havoc on our ability to determine how much the brightness of the seen is effected.
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True but there are a couple of things to note that can give us something to work on.
Tau=5. There will be no clear shadows at all, at noon the diffuse illumination will be about 2 orders of magnitude more intense than direct beam illumination and it's even more extreme when the solar elevation is low.
Tau=2, There will be faint shadows, diffuse lighting at midday is about 5x the intensity of the direct beam, and once again that rises significantly further from noon.
Tau=1, Clear shadows are visible but shaded areas are well illuminated. Diffuse light is about 20% higher than direct at noon. Overall daily diffuse insolation is about 80% more than direct beam.
Tau=0.5, Crisp shadows and shaded areas are noticably dark. Direct beam is ~70% more than diffuse light at noon. Total daily beam insolation is abotu 20% more than direct beam.
Tau=0.1, Extremely well defined shadows. Beam lighting is ~10x the intensity of diffuse at noon.

Things get a bit fuzzy very early\late in the day when tau is above ~0.2 as direct beam falls off rapidly at low sun angles while diffuse light falls off pretty slowly.
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- sranderson   Dust Storm   Oct 18 2005, 05:47 PM
- - helvick   Worth keeping an eye on but hopefully this will be...   Oct 18 2005, 06:28 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 18 2005, 01:28 PM)Worth ...   Oct 18 2005, 07:18 PM
- - vikingmars   Hope this one will NOT reach any MER rover ! H...   Oct 18 2005, 08:18 PM
|- - sranderson   Wow. Gets dark doesn't it. Are those piles o...   Oct 18 2005, 09:12 PM
||- - vikingmars   QUOTE (sranderson @ Oct 18 2005, 09:12 PM)Wow...   Oct 19 2005, 05:22 AM
||- - helvick   Handy site to keep an eye on this storm feature as...   Oct 19 2005, 10:25 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 18 2005, 09:18 PM) Ho...   Oct 18 2005, 09:30 PM
|- - pioneer   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Oct 18 2005, 08:18 PM) Ho...   Oct 19 2005, 02:36 PM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 24 2005, 09:04 PM)I...   Oct 24 2005, 09:34 PM
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|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 24 2005, 10:31 PM)How ...   Oct 24 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 25 2005, 07:31 AM)How ...   Oct 25 2005, 01:01 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Oct 24 2005, 10:31 PM)How ...   Oct 29 2005, 02:49 PM
- - slinted   There is fresh activity being seen VERY close to O...   Oct 28 2005, 11:09 AM
|- - Nirgal   QUOTE (slinted @ Oct 28 2005, 01:09 PM)There ...   Oct 28 2005, 09:19 PM
- - djellison   I wonder what imagery Damien Peach has managed to ...   Oct 28 2005, 11:23 AM
- - Sunspot   Whoah !!! thats close. Would Opportun...   Oct 28 2005, 11:29 AM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Oct 28 2005, 11:29 AM)Whoah ...   Oct 28 2005, 11:41 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Oct 28 2005, 04:29 AM)Whoah ...   Oct 28 2005, 09:24 PM
- - Bill Harris   BTW, by convention, and I presume that they still ...   Oct 28 2005, 12:32 PM
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|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (akuo @ Oct 28 2005, 07:42 AM)I think t...   Oct 28 2005, 01:01 PM
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|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 28 2005, 08:59 PM)On...   Oct 29 2005, 03:02 AM
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|- - helvick   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Oct 30 2005, 01:41 AM)Bill:...   Oct 30 2005, 09:39 AM
|- - Nirgal   QUOTE (helvick @ Oct 30 2005, 11:39 AM)We...   Oct 30 2005, 12:37 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Oct 30 2005, 01:37 PM)Questio...   Oct 30 2005, 02:57 PM
|- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (Nirgal @ Oct 30 2005, 10:37 PM)ok, I...   Oct 30 2005, 11:58 PM
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