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The Geology of Jezero Crater, Observations & Findings
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post Feb 24 2021, 01:41 AM
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This thread is for those rockhounds among us to discuss the new terrain we'll see as Perseverance scoots around her new home. Let's get dirty & technical! laugh.gif


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post Feb 27 2021, 07:39 PM
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If the crater floor is covered by ash or other volcanic material, if Perseverence heads up the delta toward the inflowing river bed, would it be able to find any of the original river- or lake-bed shallow enough that its instruments can reach it? I suppose this area is a major destination for the helicopter.
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post Feb 27 2021, 09:20 PM
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It's virtually certain that some of the material from the lake – pebbles here and there – would be part of the regolith around Perseverance, but lacking context, they won't be as valuable to study as the rock in layers where the relative ordering is known.

The original lake bed is certainly not within reach soon. That said, the end of the lake was probably not a completely binary event, and there may have been some time near the end when the lake was first dry, and then later got a little bit of temporary recharge. The 2020 USGS publication about Jezero notes the possibility that the landing site had been reworked with later lacustrine environments. This would be of interest, but clearly secondary interest, as a place that was "habitable" for a few days or months would be much less interesting than a place that was "habitable" for a million years.

Remember, Spirit completely failed to access the original lakebed of Gusev, but surprisingly found evidence of aqueous evolution in the Columbia Hills. While we certainly don't see a Columbia Hills very close to Perseverance now, it would be hard to rule out later aqueous activity in the layer where it landed. But the actual delta layers are going to take a while to access.

Curiosity reached Yellowknife Bay on Sol 125. Perseverance has about twice that distance to go before reaching the delta, and it's possible that the morphology of the edge of the delta will keep us from touching that material without considerably longer traversals to the south (or north). I don't think we've had a chance yet to see the material – wherever it is – where Perseverance will first sample the delta layers. And we possibly will still be saying that in June and July.
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- nprev   The Geology of Jezero Crater   Feb 24 2021, 01:41 AM
- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 24 2021, 02:41 AM) Thi...   Feb 24 2021, 01:51 AM
- - dougkeenan   Is it indeed "Geology" and not "Are...   Feb 24 2021, 02:13 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (dougkeenan @ Feb 24 2021, 03:13 AM...   Feb 24 2021, 02:31 AM
- - Phil Stooke   This has been a discussion since the 1960s. I rem...   Feb 24 2021, 02:52 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 24 2021, 03:52 A...   Feb 24 2021, 03:32 AM
|- - Pando   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Feb 23 2021, 07:32 PM)...   Feb 24 2021, 04:41 AM
- - Don1   Some resources: A recent USGS geological map of t...   Feb 24 2021, 03:11 AM
|- - Eutectic   QUOTE (Don1 @ Feb 23 2021, 09:11 PM) Some...   Feb 24 2021, 09:48 AM
|- - JRehling   For now, we have a mission that'll be explorin...   Feb 24 2021, 05:00 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 24 2021, 05:00 PM) ...   Feb 24 2021, 08:06 PM
|- - JRehling   What we see now in the near distance is not though...   Feb 24 2021, 09:55 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 24 2021, 09:55 PM) ...   Feb 25 2021, 12:48 AM
- - stevesliva   Because this forum is now old enough to drive, the...   Feb 24 2021, 04:32 AM
- - nprev   ....aaaand, were done with the pedantry. Let...   Feb 24 2021, 07:16 AM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 24 2021, 07:16 AM) ......   Feb 24 2021, 07:34 AM
- - serpens   The consensus seems to be that the crater floor wa...   Feb 25 2021, 02:16 AM
|- - JRehling   One detail in the Sol 3 panorama that's especi...   Feb 25 2021, 04:29 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 25 2021, 04:29 PM) ...   Feb 25 2021, 06:15 PM
- - Andreas Plesch   Delta erosion At distances of a few hundered mete...   Feb 26 2021, 09:44 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Feb 26 2021, 10:4...   Feb 26 2021, 11:37 PM
- - serpens   Good post Andreas. The isolated hills have been n...   Feb 27 2021, 12:00 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (serpens @ Feb 27 2021, 12:00 AM) I...   Feb 27 2021, 12:41 AM
|- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Feb 26 2021, 07:41 PM)...   Feb 27 2021, 02:20 AM
- - serpens   The possibility that the mafic floor unit is sedim...   Feb 27 2021, 03:28 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (serpens @ Feb 27 2021, 03:28 AM) T...   Feb 27 2021, 01:33 PM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (HSchirmer @ Feb 27 2021, 01:33 PM)...   Feb 27 2021, 11:47 PM
- - pioneer   Does anyone know which rock Perseverance will exam...   Feb 27 2021, 04:47 PM
- - Phil Stooke   No news on that yet. Things are just ramping up a...   Feb 27 2021, 05:22 PM
- - Marz   This image was cropped from the mastcam-z pan. ...   Feb 27 2021, 05:38 PM
|- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (Marz @ Feb 27 2021, 12:38 PM) Th...   Feb 27 2021, 07:24 PM
||- - Marz   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Feb 27 2021, 02:2...   Feb 27 2021, 07:33 PM
||- - Steve5304   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Feb 27 2021, 08:2...   Feb 28 2021, 05:11 AM
||- - JRehling   Opportunity and Curiosity both found rocks that we...   Feb 28 2021, 05:35 AM
||- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Steve5304 @ Feb 27 2021, 09:11 PM)...   Mar 4 2021, 10:13 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Marz @ Feb 27 2021, 06:38 PM) This...   Feb 27 2021, 08:58 PM
- - Pando   While these "holey" rocks appear light i...   Feb 27 2021, 07:30 PM
- - Blue Sky   If the crater floor is covered by ash or other vol...   Feb 27 2021, 07:39 PM
|- - JRehling   It's virtually certain that some of the materi...   Feb 27 2021, 09:20 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (Blue Sky @ Feb 27 2021, 07:39 PM) ...   Feb 28 2021, 06:39 AM
- - Andreas Plesch   Yes, these lineations may have formed from aeolian...   Feb 28 2021, 02:08 AM
|- - JRehling   Great look at the layering in the outlier, Andreas...   Feb 28 2021, 02:42 AM
|- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 27 2021, 09:42 PM) ...   Feb 28 2021, 04:14 AM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Feb 28 2021, 04:1...   Feb 28 2021, 10:42 PM
|- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (serpens @ Feb 28 2021, 05:42 PM) T...   Mar 1 2021, 07:21 PM
- - Marz   this is a high-level description of the regional g...   Feb 28 2021, 09:42 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Marz @ Feb 28 2021, 09:42 PM) this...   Feb 28 2021, 10:58 PM
|- - SulliedGoon   If caves created by ancient running waters existed...   Mar 1 2021, 03:23 AM
- - HSchirmer   Hat tip to serpens for finding a paper about coast...   Mar 1 2021, 02:24 PM
- - serpens   Perhaps just coincidence but the pre-Tharsis high ...   Mar 1 2021, 09:19 PM
- - MarkL   A couple of things interest me here (inset of ESP_...   Mar 3 2021, 06:56 PM
- - atomoid   That seeming volcanic cone is quite distinct and i...   Mar 4 2021, 01:08 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (atomoid @ Mar 4 2021, 01:08 AM) He...   Mar 4 2021, 04:36 PM
|- - atomoid   ...That large image size is giving my eye-crossing...   Mar 4 2021, 10:10 PM
- - serpens   The cones are the product of aeolian erosion. The...   Mar 4 2021, 01:53 AM
|- - MarkL   QUOTE (serpens @ Mar 4 2021, 02:53 AM) Th...   Mar 4 2021, 03:34 AM
- - Blue Sky   The canyon at lower left in the picture in post #5...   Mar 4 2021, 03:54 AM
- - MarkL   Wouldn't that be one crazy vista? Imagine loo...   Mar 4 2021, 04:22 AM
- - Gladstoner   A portion of a possible traverse that would examin...   Mar 4 2021, 06:50 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 4 2021, 06:50 AM)...   Mar 4 2021, 08:31 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 3 2021, 10:50 PM)...   Mar 4 2021, 09:55 PM
- - Gladstoner   Would also like to examine some of these up close:...   Mar 4 2021, 06:58 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 4 2021, 06:58 AM)...   Mar 4 2021, 04:51 PM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (Gladstoner @ Mar 4 2021, 06:58 AM)...   Mar 8 2021, 12:39 AM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (serpens @ Mar 8 2021, 01:39 AM) I ...   Mar 8 2021, 11:58 PM
- - serpens   vjkane, Perseverance has four primary mission obje...   Mar 4 2021, 10:55 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (serpens @ Mar 4 2021, 02:55 PM) vj...   Mar 5 2021, 12:24 AM
- - serpens   I thought the revised schedule was for launch of t...   Mar 5 2021, 12:47 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (serpens @ Mar 4 2021, 04:47 PM) I ...   Mar 5 2021, 02:04 AM
- - Explorer1   One of the papers I read (can't find it now) i...   Mar 5 2021, 03:45 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Mar 4 2021, 07:45 PM) ...   Mar 5 2021, 05:28 AM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 5 2021, 05:28 AM) ......   Mar 5 2021, 07:25 AM
||- - JRehling   One solution to this would be to fill about 3/4 (~...   Mar 5 2021, 10:06 AM
||- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 5 2021, 02:06 AM) O...   Mar 5 2021, 02:23 PM
||- - JRehling   Thanks for the full background, Van. It was this ...   Mar 5 2021, 04:23 PM
||- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 5 2021, 09:23 AM) Phi...   Mar 5 2021, 06:59 PM
||- - JRehling   I share the subjective feeling that Andreas indica...   Mar 5 2021, 08:44 PM
||- - vjkane   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Mar 5 2021, 10:59...   Mar 6 2021, 12:56 AM
||- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 5 2021, 07:56 PM) Fro...   Mar 6 2021, 02:01 AM
||- - vjkane   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Mar 5 2021, 06:01...   Mar 6 2021, 02:02 PM
|- - HSchirmer   RE: The Geology of Jezero Crater   Mar 5 2021, 12:08 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 5 2021, 05:28 AM) If ...   Mar 5 2021, 12:12 PM
- - serpens   I suspect that as with Curiosity there will be sig...   Mar 5 2021, 11:04 PM
- - HSchirmer   I found the timeline for Jezro in the press packag...   Mar 6 2021, 03:13 PM
- - tdemko   I’m not sure the emphasis is on the pre-lake depos...   Mar 6 2021, 10:59 PM
|- - JRehling   Good information, tdemko. In this case, it seems ...   Mar 7 2021, 12:29 AM
- - nprev   Should I just change the name of this thread to ...   Mar 7 2021, 11:31 AM
- - tdemko   Not sure if the question about experimental basin ...   Mar 8 2021, 02:04 PM
- - Andreas Plesch   The source of the sediments in the delta The (mai...   Mar 8 2021, 09:02 PM
|- - JRehling   With both respect and gratitude for the expertise ...   Mar 9 2021, 12:27 AM
|- - tdemko   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 8 2021, 07:27 PM) W...   Mar 9 2021, 02:43 AM
- - serpens   Andreas, despite erosion there are obvious remnant...   Mar 9 2021, 01:17 AM
- - Andreas Plesch   There are sedimentologists specializing in landsca...   Mar 9 2021, 02:29 AM
|- - serpens   QUOTE (Andreas Plesch @ Mar 9 2021, 03:29...   Mar 9 2021, 02:36 PM
|- - Andreas Plesch   QUOTE (serpens @ Mar 9 2021, 09:36 AM) Wh...   Mar 9 2021, 03:08 PM
|- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (serpens @ Mar 9 2021, 02:36 PM) Wh...   Mar 9 2021, 03:30 PM
- - Andreas Plesch   I find myself agreeing with much of what the abstr...   Mar 9 2021, 02:54 AM
- - MarkL   Do we have any insight as to why the small deltaic...   Mar 9 2021, 10:20 AM
- - MahFL   QUOTE (MarkL @ Mar 9 2021, 10:20 AM) Do w...   Mar 9 2021, 11:22 AM
- - HSchirmer   QUOTE Do we have any insight as to why the small d...   Mar 9 2021, 12:14 PM
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