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ngunn
post Mar 9 2021, 09:47 AM
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I have a question arising from the recent surface images acquired by the Parker Solar Probe (but best discussed in this section, I think, if anyone has comments). Would a camera with similar specifications to WISPR but located on Earth or in Earth orbit be able in principle to image the night-side surface? It presents quite a large target when suitably placed and I imagine some sort of coronagraph arrangement could be used to exclude light from the sunlit crescent.
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post Mar 17 2021, 11:35 PM
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And here's the same from Venera 14 Camera 1, taking the three usable frames for this. It looks like there was a dramatic removal of dust between two of the frames that also perturbed the... debris thing(?) near the centre of the frame. There is only one usable frame from the Venera 14 Camera 2, so I will not attempt it on the other side. It doesn't look like any dust was kicked up anyway, being the famous "smooth slab" image.

Has this been noticed before? I did some googl'ing around and found Garvin 1981 and Greeley & Arvidson (1990) which talk about dust kicked up by the landers, but I didn't read anything on visual confirmation of dust being moved by wind.
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post Mar 18 2021, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Mar 17 2021, 06:35 PM) *
It looks like there was a dramatic removal of dust between two of the frames....
Has this been noticed before? I did some googl'ing .....I didn't read anything on visual confirmation of dust being moved by wind.


Of course it was noticed. But it is indeed perhaps not well known, and is quite remarkable, you would typically have to wait weeks or months to see such a change on Earth

As my review of Venus surface wind measurements notes "The probabilistic framework articulated in this paper supports
this contention of vigorous surface transport. Surface panoramas (e.g. Garvin et al., 1984) from the Venera landers show fine material
to be widely present. Of the 6 landers equipped with cameras, four returned images (the lens caps on Venera 11, 12 failed to
eject). Of these, only Venera 13 and 14 provided multiple panoramas which allowed change detection. Changes in the distribution
of surface particulates on the lander ring are seen in Venera 13 images (e.g. Selivanov et al., 1982; see also discussion in
Ksanfomality et al., 1983). Thus, out of only two occasions in which surface particle transport could possibly have been observed, it was
observed in one (with only about an hour between observations). Movement of surface particulates by wind has been observed on
many occasions on Mars, indeed (e.g. Lorenz and Zimbelman, 2014), but only after years of landed spacecraft operations (e.g.
Arvidson et al., 1983; Sullivan et al., 2005) and high-resolution orbital observations (e.g. Bridges et al., 2012).

The paper by the original imaging investigator is
Selivanov, A.S. et al., 1982. Evolution of the Venera 13 imagery. Sov. Astron. Lett. 8, 433–436.
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- ngunn   Venus surface images   Mar 9 2021, 09:47 AM
- - JRehling   The simple answer is, yes, it can be done from Ear...   Mar 9 2021, 06:45 PM
|- - JRehling   Another important thing to say here: The signal th...   Mar 9 2021, 07:14 PM
- - rlorenz   QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 9 2021, 04:47 AM) Woul...   Mar 10 2021, 03:09 AM
- - ngunn   Thanks John and Ralph for filling in the picture o...   Mar 10 2021, 11:58 AM
- - scalbers   If measurements were accurate enough the surface e...   Mar 10 2021, 07:48 PM
|- - JRehling   It took me a while to find these but a couple of a...   Mar 11 2021, 04:35 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (JRehling @ Mar 11 2021, 11:35 AM) ...   Mar 12 2021, 03:13 AM
|- - JRehling   Indeed! It speaks loudly that a global map of ...   Mar 12 2021, 07:57 PM
- - Marcin600   Here are my scans of photos taken by the Venera 13...   Mar 15 2021, 10:05 PM
- - Marcin600   continued...   Mar 15 2021, 10:06 PM
- - Marcin600   continued...   Mar 15 2021, 10:07 PM
- - Marcin600   continued...   Mar 15 2021, 10:11 PM
- - JohnVV   this is the set i have seen most https://airands...   Mar 15 2021, 10:58 PM
- - Hungry4info   There's significantly more images from the sur...   Mar 17 2021, 10:49 PM
|- - alex_k   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Mar 18 2021, 03:49 A...   Jul 27 2023, 02:48 PM
- - Hungry4info   And here's the same from Venera 14 Camera 1, t...   Mar 17 2021, 11:35 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Mar 17 2021, 06:35 P...   Mar 18 2021, 01:53 AM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Mar 18 2021, 12:35 A...   Mar 19 2021, 07:33 PM
- - Hungry4info   QUOTE PS Do you have the option to use slightly la...   Mar 20 2021, 01:17 AM
- - Phil Stooke   A reminder that the Venera images can be found her...   Jul 27 2023, 06:16 PM


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