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Phil Stooke
post Jul 1 2005, 01:30 AM
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Oh well, might as well start that new topic since it's already well advanced in the Juno area...

My perspective on landers is as follows. All the landers we've had so far were dropped blind onto an essentially unknown surface. Any future landers can be targeted for specific terrains. It really is not true that we have had representative landings. Even a descent image or two, a panoramic photo plus a bit of surface composition, from a simple Venera-class lander just updated a bit, would be useful if we could put several down at well chosen targets. My choices would be:

Examples of the main plains units (smooth, fractured, ridged)

tesserae

high elevation radar-bright tesserae

large fresh lava flow unit ('fluctus')

crater dark parabola

crater ejecta outflow unit

dunes area.

And I have always assumed, rightly or wrongly, that it would be relatively easy to put these down, so they ought to be fairly inexpensive as planetary landers go.

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Paolo
post Jun 12 2021, 08:44 AM
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speaking of which, anyone has any "hard" information (papers, abstracts etc.) on the private Rocket Lab Venus mission? other than, I mean, the articles in online media saying that it is being studied with little or no real information...

beside, being old enough to remember private missions which never took off including ISELA, Lunacorp, NEAP, Red Dragon and many more I am not holding my breath for this one
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post Dec 27 2021, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 12 2021, 08:44 AM) *
speaking of which, anyone has any "hard" information (papers, abstracts etc.) on the private Rocket Lab Venus mission? other than, I mean, the articles in online media saying that it is being studied with little or no real information...

beside, being old enough to remember private missions which never took off including ISELA, Lunacorp, NEAP, Red Dragon and many more I am not holding my breath for this one

Venus Life Finder Mission Study

The Venus Life Finder Missions are a series of focused astrobiology mission concepts to search for habitability, signs of life, and life itself in the Venus atmosphere. While people have speculated on life in the Venus clouds for decades, we are now able to act with cost-effective and highly-focused missions. A major motivation are unexplained atmospheric chemical anomalies, including the "mysterious UV-absorber", tens of ppm O2, SO2 and H2O vertical abundance profiles, the possible presence of PH3 and NH3, and the unknown composition of Mode 3 cloud particles. These anomalies, which have lingered for decades, might be tied to habitability and life's activities or be indicative of unknown chemistry itself worth exploring. Our proposed series of VLF missions aim to study Venus' cloud particles and to continue where the pioneering in situ probe missions from nearly four decades ago left off. The world is poised on the brink of a revolution in space science. Our goal is not to supplant any other efforts but to take advantage of an opportunity for high-risk, high-reward science, which stands to possibly answer one of the greatest scientific mysteries of all, and in the process pioneer a new model of private/public partnership in space exploration.

The paper talks about the VLF Rocket Lab mission in sections 2 and 3 (pages 15 to 23).

The rest of the paper is even more interesting, talking about the proposed privately funded Venus Life Finder Mission (sections 4 and 5, pages 24 to 33) and the later proposed Venus Atmosphere Sample Return Mission (sections 5 and 6, pages 42 to 52).
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- Phil Stooke   Future Venus Missions   Jul 1 2005, 01:30 AM
- - tolis   Venus seems to be finally receiving some of the at...   Jun 12 2021, 08:06 AM
- - Paolo   speaking of which, anyone has any "hard...   Jun 12 2021, 08:44 AM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 12 2021, 08:44 AM) spe...   Dec 27 2021, 04:45 PM
- - Explorer1   No, it's still happening. Not a paper (since i...   Jun 12 2021, 01:40 PM
|- - JRehling   This round of missions will return most of its dat...   Jun 12 2021, 05:04 PM
||- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 12 2021, 09:04 AM) ...   Jun 13 2021, 03:34 PM
||- - tolis   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 12 2021, 06:04 PM) ...   Jun 13 2021, 07:45 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 12 2021, 10:04 AM) ...   Jun 13 2021, 08:27 PM
||- - JRehling   Inarguable points, Mike, and I won't overly pr...   Jun 14 2021, 03:19 AM
||- - vjkane   QUOTE (JRehling @ Jun 13 2021, 07:19 PM) ...   Jun 14 2021, 04:25 AM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (vjkane @ Jun 13 2021, 08:25 PM) Ma...   Jun 14 2021, 04:41 AM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 13 2021, 09:41 PM...   Jun 14 2021, 04:46 PM
|||- - vjkane   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 14 2021, 08:46 AM...   Jun 14 2021, 04:49 PM
|||- - JRehling   Here is a recent analysis of the tesserae suggesti...   Jun 14 2021, 10:43 PM
||- - rlorenz   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jun 14 2021, 12:41 AM...   Jun 15 2021, 03:02 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jun 12 2021, 09:40 AM)...   Jun 15 2021, 02:49 AM
- - Steve G   This is a general question about the atmospheres o...   Jun 21 2021, 09:55 PM
|- - mcaplinger   Short and probably too simple answer: there's ...   Jun 21 2021, 11:57 PM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   My turn to oversimplify. Venus' atmosphere is...   Jun 22 2021, 04:08 AM
- - tolis   Turning to studies of the interior, balloon-borne ...   Jun 22 2021, 10:10 PM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (tolis @ Jun 22 2021, 05:10 PM) Tur...   Jun 23 2021, 02:57 AM
- - antipode   Is there any info on whether mission planners expe...   Apr 29 2022, 03:19 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   "The DAVINCI+ probe will also descend over a ...   Apr 29 2022, 04:54 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (antipode @ Apr 28 2022, 10:19 PM) ...   Apr 30 2022, 01:12 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Apr 29 2022, 05:12 PM) I...   May 1 2022, 01:48 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   FWIW, the most important compositional measurement...   May 1 2022, 06:01 PM
- - antipode   Thankyou! P   Apr 29 2022, 08:45 AM
- - antipode   Thankyou Ralph, its always a pleasure to see your ...   May 1 2022, 03:55 AM
- - atomoid   DAVINCI uses a sapphire camera window to handle th...   May 23 2022, 07:17 PM
|- - Xcalibrator   QUOTE (atomoid @ May 23 2022, 02:17 PM) D...   May 23 2022, 08:04 PM
||- - StargazeInWonder   China has a proposed Venus mission which, given th...   Sep 4 2022, 11:03 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   The same page indicates that the quartz's refr...   May 23 2022, 09:26 PM
- - mcaplinger   New paper on the DAVINCI mission: https://iopscien...   May 25 2022, 02:57 AM
- - antipode   Three new papers on the ArXiv re life finding miss...   Aug 12 2022, 02:49 AM
- - rlorenz   Lori Glaze just announced that fallout from the Ps...   Nov 4 2022, 06:21 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   If all else remains the same, then it seems like D...   Nov 4 2022, 11:47 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Nov 4 2022, 11:21 AM) Lo...   Nov 5 2022, 02:05 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (rlorenz @ Nov 4 2022, 02:21 PM) Lo...   Nov 5 2022, 03:05 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Nov 5 2022, 08:05 AM)...   Nov 5 2022, 10:15 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   This still indicates (the old plan, no doubt) a Ju...   Nov 6 2022, 02:45 AM
- - stevesliva   Not sure what source I had yesterday, though I sus...   Nov 7 2022, 09:09 PM
- - dtolman   More bad news for VERITAS - their funding was virt...   Mar 21 2023, 12:54 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   That's worrisome about VERITAS. The notional ...   Mar 24 2023, 12:09 PM
- - bobik   Recently, EnVision was formally adopted into ESA...   Jan 31 2024, 06:56 AM
- - dtolman   Good news - VERITAS is back! Funding was resto...   Mar 15 2024, 02:02 AM
- - StargazeInWonder   Wonderful news. As it stands, EnVision is also pl...   Mar 15 2024, 04:11 AM
- - vjkane   QUOTE (dtolman @ Mar 14 2024, 07:02 PM) G...   Mar 15 2024, 02:31 PM
- - bobik   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 15 2024, 03:31 PM) Th...   Mar 16 2024, 06:27 AM
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