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post Nov 24 2021, 07:27 AM
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Surprised we didn't already have a thread. DART launched successfully at 0621 UTC today (23 Nov 21). Mission page here, encounter (as in collision) with small satellite of 65803 Didymos in late Sep/early Oct 2022.


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post Sep 27 2022, 02:45 PM
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Wow, those streamers, it looks quite catastrophic! Much more violent than the SCI on Ryugu, as expected!
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post Sep 27 2022, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 27 2022, 04:45 PM) *
Wow, those streamers, it looks quite catastrophic! Much more violent than the SCI on Ryugu, as expected!

Wow ! Yes: Dimorphos must be made of very loose material and may have been partially destroyed, if not entirely. We will see...
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post Sep 27 2022, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 27 2022, 08:21 AM) *
Dimorphos must be made of very loose material and may have been partially destroyed, if not entirely.

Regardless of what the images look like, that seems very unlikely, at least if you believe "Spacecraft Geometry Effects on Kinetic Impactor Missions", Owen et al, https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/PSJ/ac8932/pdf

However, they did a ton of work and then at the end

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It seems likely, based on observations
during the surface sampling in the OSIRIS-REx mission... that the weak material limit is
the most likely case. In fact, if Dimorphos’ surface is as weak
as that observed during the SCI experiment, it could be significantly
weaker than even the weak limit presented here.


I haven't read the paper in enough detail to know if their modeling is truly appropriate or just detailed but in an unrealistic way. But the spacecraft only had a mass of about 500 kg and Dimorphos is of order 10**7 more massive and DART wasn't going that fast.

On the other hand, I was thinking of this:

Han Solo: That's what I'm trying to tell you, kid; it ain't there... It's been totally blown away.


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post Sep 27 2022, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 27 2022, 07:04 PM) *
Regardless of what the images look like, that seems very unlikely, at least if you believe "Spacecraft Geometry Effects on Kinetic Impactor Missions", Owen et al, https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/PSJ/ac8932/pdf

However, they did a ton of work and then at the end



I haven't read the paper in enough detail to know if their modeling is truly appropriate or just detailed but in an unrealistic way. But the spacecraft only had a mass of about 500 kg and Dimorphos is of order 10**7 more massive and DART wasn't going that fast.

On the other hand, I was thinking of this:

Han Solo: That's what I'm trying to tell you, kid; it ain't there... It's been totally blown away.

Thank you very much for the paper : I went through it and, now, I'm convinced that Dimorphos has survived the impact and remains quite in good shape. The crater would be very visible and, maybe we will see some secondary impacts not only on Dimorphos, but also on Didymos as well. When the ESA spacecraft will reach the system in December 2026, there will be a lot of impressive images to be seen. Maybe some rocks were also thrown in orbit around Didymos by the impact, building some kind of 'secondary moons', making the system even more interesting to visit smile.gif
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post Sep 27 2022, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 27 2022, 02:42 PM) *
When the ESA spacecraft will reach the system in December 2026, there will be a lot of impressive images to be seen. Maybe some rocks were also thrown in orbit around Didymos by the impact, building some kind of 'secondary moons', making the system even more interesting to visit smile.gif


Hopefully they won't be too big! OSIRIS-Rex sized pebbles are just fine, but big chunks are not a good idea! Though I am sure HERA will be well-prepared.
However, I think the gap in time is large enough for the area to clear naturally; Stardust certainly had no issues revisiting Tempel 1 after 6 years.
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- nprev   DART & HERA   Nov 24 2021, 07:27 AM
- - Marcin600   yes   Sep 26 2022, 10:27 PM
- - Explorer1   Target lock! Didymos is already looking irreg...   Sep 26 2022, 10:28 PM
- - Marcin600   things are speeding up   Sep 26 2022, 10:36 PM
- - Hungry4info   Didymos is now resolved.   Sep 26 2022, 10:40 PM
- - Marcin600   bigger   Sep 26 2022, 10:49 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Beginning to see possible structure on the termina...   Sep 26 2022, 10:55 PM
- - Marcin600   interesting shape, with a clearly protruding part ...   Sep 26 2022, 10:56 PM
- - nprev   Precision lock achieved!!!   Sep 26 2022, 10:56 PM
- - Marcin600   two craters (?) and a "constriction" (?)   Sep 26 2022, 11:03 PM
- - Phil Stooke   A bit more detail. The protrusion will probably r...   Sep 26 2022, 11:03 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Getting clearer... Phil   Sep 26 2022, 11:07 PM
- - Marcin600   craters (?)   Sep 26 2022, 11:08 PM
- - Marcin600   more craters (?)   Sep 26 2022, 11:12 PM
- - Phil Stooke   .....! Phil   Sep 26 2022, 11:14 PM
- - nprev   IMPACT. Absolutely incredible terminal images.   Sep 26 2022, 11:18 PM
- - fredk   The final full frame:   Sep 26 2022, 11:18 PM
- - nprev   RE: DART & HERA   Sep 26 2022, 11:20 PM
- - Explorer1   Wow! Takes me back to 14 years old.... And th...   Sep 26 2022, 11:22 PM
|- - CryptoEngineer   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 26 2022, 06:22 PM)...   Sep 26 2022, 11:40 PM
|- - monty python   QUOTE (CryptoEngineer @ Sep 26 2022, 06:4...   Sep 27 2022, 06:43 AM
- - Marcin600   Congratulations on a beautiful whack! :-) It w...   Sep 26 2022, 11:27 PM
- - fredk   The final partial frame: and it's approximate...   Sep 26 2022, 11:37 PM
- - Tom O'Reilly   What is that light "bar" on the lower le...   Sep 26 2022, 11:40 PM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (Tom O'Reilly @ Sep 27 2022, 01...   Sep 26 2022, 11:44 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   This comparison has to be noted:   Sep 27 2022, 12:01 AM
|- - Tom O'Reilly   QUOTE (Marcin600 @ Sep 26 2022, 03:44 PM)...   Sep 27 2022, 02:28 AM
- - Marcin600   group portrait   Sep 26 2022, 11:41 PM
- - Explorer1   Top of a huge boulder, mostly in shadow? Press co...   Sep 26 2022, 11:42 PM
- - Hungry4info   Imaging of the DART impact plume from an Earth-bas...   Sep 27 2022, 12:19 AM
- - Explorer1   Fascinating fact from the presser: looks like the ...   Sep 27 2022, 12:32 AM
- - Marcin600   It seems to me that fragments of Didymos's sur...   Sep 27 2022, 12:33 AM
- - Hungry4info   Dimorphos mosaic (credit: zelario4)   Sep 27 2022, 12:55 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Nice view of the impact: https://twitter.com/fall...   Sep 27 2022, 03:36 AM
- - djellison   This is the best stack of images I could wrangle f...   Sep 27 2022, 06:25 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Since there are no other craters, I don't thin...   Sep 27 2022, 06:36 AM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 27 2022, 08:36 A...   Sep 27 2022, 08:30 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I think Ranger 9 was the only one people actually ...   Sep 27 2022, 07:05 AM
- - Brian Swift   PNGs of a few images and downloadable 1080p video ...   Sep 27 2022, 07:34 AM
- - xflare   That impact debris/plume sequence is extraordinary...   Sep 27 2022, 07:36 AM
- - Marcin600   https://www.nasa.gov/feature/dart-s-final-i...prio...   Sep 27 2022, 09:00 AM
|- - john_s   I notice that the final partial frame appears some...   Sep 27 2022, 01:44 PM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (john_s @ Sep 27 2022, 02:44 PM) I ...   Sep 27 2022, 04:17 PM
- - Explorer1   ASI Conference for LICIACube results is here   Sep 27 2022, 02:21 PM
- - tolis   Pictures!   Sep 27 2022, 02:41 PM
- - Explorer1   Wow, those streamers, it looks quite catastrophic...   Sep 27 2022, 02:45 PM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 27 2022, 04:45 PM)...   Sep 27 2022, 04:21 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 27 2022, 08:21 AM...   Sep 27 2022, 05:04 PM
||- - vikingmars   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 27 2022, 07:04 PM...   Sep 27 2022, 07:42 PM
|||- - Explorer1   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 27 2022, 02:42 PM...   Sep 27 2022, 07:59 PM
|||- - climber   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 27 2022, 09:42 PM...   Sep 28 2022, 06:38 AM
||- - fredk   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 27 2022, 06:04 PM...   Sep 27 2022, 09:55 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 27 2022, 01:55 PM) I g...   Sep 27 2022, 10:23 PM
||- - fredk   QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 27 2022, 10:55 PM) For...   Oct 20 2022, 10:35 PM
||- - StargazeInWonder   It seems like it'd be more efficient than that...   Oct 20 2022, 11:18 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Oct 20 2022, 04...   Oct 21 2022, 12:49 AM
||- - HSchirmer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 21 2022, 01:49 AM...   Oct 21 2022, 01:37 PM
|- - marsbug   QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 27 2022, 05:21 PM...   Sep 27 2022, 05:38 PM
- - Marcin600   pictures are for example here: https://www.asi.it/...   Sep 27 2022, 03:29 PM
- - Explorer1   I think it's fair to say, however, there has b...   Sep 27 2022, 07:05 PM
- - Marcin600   By the way, I added the scale indicators to this i...   Sep 27 2022, 07:31 PM
- - fredk   Indeed, as I mentioned this is a job for gory-deta...   Sep 28 2022, 12:28 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Given the above discussion, it may have been a mis...   Sep 28 2022, 03:46 AM
- - climber   Very interesting hypothesis here : https://twitter...   Sep 28 2022, 07:02 AM
|- - vikingmars   QUOTE (climber @ Sep 28 2022, 09:02 AM) V...   Sep 28 2022, 11:37 AM
- - Marcin600   Here is a video compilation of 3 LICIACube picture...   Sep 28 2022, 05:17 PM
- - mcaplinger   One wonders if the large overexposure of the LICIA...   Sep 28 2022, 06:13 PM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 28 2022, 08:13 PM...   Sep 28 2022, 06:17 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   In a way, this continues the theme of Insight...   Sep 28 2022, 06:41 PM
- - cIclops   Hubble and Webb images ...   Sep 30 2022, 01:20 PM
- - Quetzalcoatl   Hi, A question arises. What is left of Dimorphos ...   Oct 2 2022, 02:17 PM
|- - john_s   Despite the spectacular amount of debris, I've...   Oct 2 2022, 06:28 PM
- - scalbers   Yes this makes sense as my rule of thumb is a crat...   Oct 2 2022, 06:32 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   The density and structure of Dimorphos makes it ha...   Oct 2 2022, 08:47 PM
- - Marcin600   Something like "mini-panoramas" of the D...   Oct 3 2022, 06:45 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Nice mini-panoramas! But I noticed something ...   Oct 4 2022, 06:38 AM
- - Phil Stooke   Also... check out this wonderful family portrait b...   Oct 4 2022, 06:47 AM
- - Phil Stooke   This is a better image of the night side of Dimorp...   Oct 4 2022, 07:22 PM
|- - Marcin600   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 4 2022, 09:22 PM...   Oct 5 2022, 12:18 AM
- - stevesliva   I vaguely recall hearing that another presscon was...   Oct 5 2022, 01:56 AM
- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   So we wouldn't have more pictures of Didymos? ...   Oct 5 2022, 10:27 AM
- - jasedm   That's a brilliant montage Daniele!, thank...   Oct 5 2022, 07:20 PM
|- - Daniele_bianchino_Italy   QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Oct 5 2022, ...   Oct 13 2022, 09:50 AM
- - Marcin600   Media briefing at 2 p.m. EDT, Tuesday, Oct. 11 - h...   Oct 10 2022, 04:47 PM
|- - john_s   I missed the briefing, but I see remarkable images...   Oct 11 2022, 08:02 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (john_s @ Oct 11 2022, 12:02 PM) Is...   Oct 11 2022, 09:02 PM
|- - Hungry4info   QUOTE (john_s @ Oct 11 2022, 03:02 PM) Is...   Oct 11 2022, 09:12 PM
|- - john_s   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Oct 11 2022, 02:12 P...   Oct 11 2022, 10:16 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (john_s @ Oct 11 2022, 02:16 PM) I ...   Oct 11 2022, 11:08 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   I'll let you know when I've watched the wh...   Oct 11 2022, 08:18 PM
- - Explorer1   Great new images; we can see a bit of the other si...   Oct 11 2022, 09:47 PM
- - Marcin600   So: 1. DART slowed down Dimorphos by over half an...   Oct 11 2022, 10:56 PM
- - Marcin600   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Oct 12 2022, 01:08 AM...   Oct 11 2022, 11:18 PM
- - Hungry4info   The twitter user landru79 created a couple of anim...   Oct 12 2022, 12:10 AM
|- - john_s   Those animations are very instructive- thanks for ...   Oct 12 2022, 12:39 AM
- - Tom Tamlyn   QUOTE (john_s @ Oct 11 2022, 03:02 PM) Is...   Oct 12 2022, 01:15 AM
- - Gladstoner   Centrifugal scree 'slopes' on opposing hem...   Oct 17 2022, 05:15 PM
- - nprev   In practical terms, this becomes a problem in term...   Oct 20 2022, 11:19 PM
- - Bill Harris   Hubble is seeing a double tail around the Diddy-tw...   Oct 21 2022, 07:19 AM
- - mcaplinger   "Near-Earth Asteroid Deflection Strategies...   Oct 21 2022, 07:23 PM
- - fredk   All of this is for the unlikely scenario that an o...   Oct 21 2022, 10:23 PM
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