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post Nov 11 2004, 11:46 PM
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These images, taken by the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board ESA’s Mars Express spacecraft, are Europe’s highest-resolution pictures so far of the Martian moon Phobos.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM21TVJD1E_0.html
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post Nov 3 2022, 03:00 AM
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In the long term yes, but that would all be spread out over the next 8-10 years. Since these Phobos flybys are in the next 2 years, the costs of the primary Exomars mission would be being spent right now if not for the delay.
The peak cost is the period before and during a primary mission, from what I read in NASA budgets (like the charts and tables here which show a sort of bell curve and a long 'tail' of minimal expenses for extended missions). I'm assuming the logic works the same with ESA missions.
Sorry to get a bit into the weeds on this, but there should be no excused to cancel scientifically significant flybys of a very interesting object!
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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 2 2022, 07:00 PM) *
The peak cost is the period before and during a primary mission


Spacecraft get cheaper once you launch them.

Look at New Horizons, MSL, OSIRIS REX, Juno etc in the amazing TPS Google Doc.

The moment you launch them - the cost plummets by a factor of about 4+

The two years of prime mission for MSL averaged ~$80M
The six years before that averaged >$300M.

Put another way - the ExoMars rover is going to be more expensive now than when it's actually operating. It's going to be more expensive over the next 5 years than had it launched on time and was operating in the same time frame.

But again - I agree - the cost of operating MEX is in the weeds compared to the new costs for ExoMars. I fully expect MEX to keep going. Remember - we've had the same "The budget goes to zero in a year" for many other Mars missions that have carried on for year and years thereafter as the budget was found. MSL, Odyssey, MER...all saw similar fiscal outlooks at certain points.

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- Sunspot   Phobos   Nov 11 2004, 11:46 PM
- - Explorer1   Like we're floating alongside.... hurry up Pho...   Nov 26 2010, 12:38 AM
- - Hungry4info   Wow. That is nice! What causes the wavy appear...   Nov 26 2010, 12:45 AM
|- - siravan   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Nov 25 2010, 07:45 P...   Nov 26 2010, 02:15 AM
- - Phil Stooke   A slight rocking of the spacecraft during the scan...   Nov 26 2010, 02:04 AM
- - nprev   Ahhhh...yeah, makes sense; I thought it was some s...   Nov 26 2010, 02:07 AM
- - tasp   Strange stone, alien vapor . . . . ...   Nov 26 2010, 02:40 AM
- - Hungry4info   Wow!   Nov 26 2010, 09:17 AM
|- - Astrophil   That Gusev picture is fabulous.   Nov 26 2010, 01:37 PM
- - nprev   MEx wide-angle images have always impressed me, bu...   Nov 26 2010, 03:09 PM
- - eoincampbell   Thanks very much Stu for bringing that Gusev image...   Nov 27 2010, 02:54 AM
- - Paolo   Any idea of the date the Phobos pictures were take...   Nov 27 2010, 12:03 PM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 27 2010, 01:03 PM) Any...   Nov 27 2010, 04:01 PM
- - cndwrld   A couple photos (one rendered in 3D) have been rel...   Jan 21 2011, 10:45 AM
- - elakdawalla   They are very nice, and they also provide useful i...   Jan 21 2011, 05:20 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   I'm not yet one of the magicians but I have be...   Jan 22 2011, 04:47 PM
|- - machi   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 21 2011, 06:20 P...   Jan 22 2011, 06:11 PM
- - PDP8E   ElkGD, that is pretty darn good! thanks!   Jan 22 2011, 06:22 PM
- - machi   Finally, it's finished. Phobos animation from ...   Jan 25 2011, 01:32 PM
|- - sgendreau   Gorgeous, Machi. Thank you.   Jan 25 2011, 05:09 PM
- - machi   Thanks! I just added two avi versions of Phob...   Jan 26 2011, 02:30 PM
- - Ian R   Drool...   Jan 26 2011, 05:49 PM
- - ngunn   I notice that Emily's 5 image montage here ht...   Jan 26 2011, 07:26 PM
- - machi   I haven't software for this, but whole 3D anim...   Jan 26 2011, 08:16 PM
- - vikingmars   ... and here are some new ones showing Phobos AND ...   Jun 29 2011, 08:18 PM
- - cndwrld   Phobos & Jupiter in Conjunction Sorry if this...   Jul 1 2011, 10:18 AM
- - Paolo   there isn't a thread for Deimos, so I will pos...   Sep 28 2012, 05:05 PM
- - cndwrld   The official ESA web release about the improved De...   Oct 1 2012, 09:36 AM
|- - SteveM   The Astronomy and Astrophysics paper on the Deimos...   Oct 1 2012, 07:43 PM
- - JohnVV   naif update ftp://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/gener...   Oct 1 2012, 09:11 PM
- - Paolo   first image from the 22 December flyby http://blog...   Dec 24 2013, 04:24 PM
- - Astro0   Worth noting that that entry on the ESA Mars Expre...   Dec 25 2013, 06:28 AM
- - scalbers   Phobos animation using a shape model... http://sp...   Dec 28 2013, 07:49 PM
- - JohnVV   the "phobos_ver512q.tab" mesh from VO1_S...   Dec 29 2013, 01:41 AM
- - bobik   As is mentioned in an ESA web release about the re...   Nov 2 2022, 12:18 PM
- - Bill Harris   Looking forward to those close flybys. I'm e...   Nov 2 2022, 05:52 PM
- - Explorer1   Mars Express certainly needs to continue. MMX...   Nov 2 2022, 07:22 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 2 2022, 11:22 AM) ...   Nov 2 2022, 08:23 PM
- - Explorer1   In the long term yes, but that would all be spread...   Nov 3 2022, 03:00 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Nov 2 2022, 07:00 PM) ...   Nov 3 2022, 03:23 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 3 2022, 08:23 AM) ...   Nov 3 2022, 03:34 PM
|- - cndwrld   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 3 2022, 05:34 PM)...   Jun 23 2023, 09:41 AM
- - bobik   Funny how time flies (When you're having fun) ...   Jul 19 2023, 01:16 PM
- - bobik   While we are still patiently waiting for informati...   Jan 4 2024, 07:14 AM
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