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Juno Perijove 40, February 25, 2022
Kevin Gill
post Feb 26 2022, 09:06 PM
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Perijove 40 data is starting to be posted. I'm getting some weird timing issues with Europa, though.




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Bjorn Jonsson
post Feb 26 2022, 10:39 PM
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This is image PJ40_4 of Europa in approximately true color/contrast. The image is enlarged by a factor of 3 relative to the original data:

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QUOTE (Kevin Gill @ Feb 26 2022, 09:06 PM) *
Perijove 40 data is starting to be posted. I'm getting some weird timing issues with Europa, though.

I had to make unusual corrections to the pointing when processing this image of Europa and I expect this to apply to the other images of Europa as well. I could instead have made a *very* large correction to the start time so something weird may be going on.
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Bjorn Jonsson
post Feb 28 2022, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 26 2022, 10:39 PM) *
I had to make unusual corrections to the pointing when processing this image of Europa and I expect this to apply to the other images of Europa as well. I could instead have made a *very* large correction to the start time so something weird may be going on.

Additional info: I'm getting weird results for the Jupiter images as well. For image PJ40_11 I need to add something like 250 msec to the start/stop times to get correct limb fits. This is far bigger than I have seen before (the highest I've seen is ~100 msec IIRC).
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I'm reviving this thread because recently I was processing some PJ40 data and I think that at last I now know what was happening here:

QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 28 2022, 12:07 AM) *
Additional info: I'm getting weird results for the Jupiter images as well. For image PJ40_11 I need to add something like 250 msec to the start/stop times to get correct limb fits. This is far bigger than I have seen before (the highest I've seen is ~100 msec IIRC).

This was followed by fairly extensive discussion; I wasn't the only one running into weird issues.

The reason this happened seems to have been the clock kernel I was using. I was using the JNO_SCLKSCET.00127.tsc file released a day after PJ40. A reconstructed CK kernel was released at a similar time but apparently a different clock kernel is needed together with the CK kernel. Using JNO_SCLKSCET.00126.tsc or JNO_SCLKSCET.00125.tsc results in a far smaller error, especially the latter. However, the error is still rather large. Using JNO_SCLKSCET.00124.tsc results in a 'typical' error.

The real problem now is that I haven't found any reliable way to determine which clock kernel I should use together with a particular CK file. Apparently the file dates cannot be used to determine this. The CK kernel contains a clock kernel name but that name is always juno.tsc so it is useless. For a long time I was assuming that using the file released around or immediately following a perijove was OK but clearly this is not the case as implied above. Usually it has not mattered exactly which file I used (typically the resulting difference when replacing a clock kernel was 1-2 pixels or less) but recently (the past 10-15 perijoves or so), it has become more common for this to make a large difference. Having to use trial and error to determine which clock kernel to use with the reconstructed CK kernel doesn't make sense to me.

Does anyone know of a better or more reliable way to determine which clock kernel to use together with a particular reconstructed CK kernel? Using trial and error, it *usually* becomes fairly obvious which kernel to use but this is not always the case.
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post Jul 6 2023, 03:06 AM
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 5 2023, 04:33 PM) *
The reason this happened seems to have been the clock kernel I was using. I was using the JNO_SCLKSCET.00127.tsc file released a day after PJ40. A reconstructed CK kernel was released at a similar time but apparently a different clock kernel is needed together with the CK kernel. Using JNO_SCLKSCET.00126.tsc or JNO_SCLKSCET.00125.tsc results in a far smaller error, especially the latter.

Could you produce a simple example of this where you show a large angular difference at the the same time for the same kernel files, with the only difference being the SCLKSCET kernel? Say, something like m2 = pxform("j2000", "juno_spacecraft", t); v = mxv(m2, (1,0,0))

As I understand it, CK files are essentially keyed by SCLK, so you need a valid SCLKSCET to use them (not a very out-of-date one, for example) but SCLKSCET files should be fairly continuous so using a newer one shouldn't make a big difference (barring big jumps in the spacecraft clock.)

Are you by any chance using the "high-precision" format clock? If you are, see if the results are different if you don't -- it's not useful for Junocam and seems to have had some issues over the course of the mission, though I'm not sure if it's used internally in CKs or not.


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- Kevin Gill   Juno Perijove 40   Feb 26 2022, 09:06 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   This is image PJ40_4 of Europa in approximately tr...   Feb 26 2022, 10:39 PM
|- - john_s   Cool! That has to be the best image of Europa...   Feb 27 2022, 02:26 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 26 2022, 10:39...   Feb 28 2022, 12:07 AM
||- - Bjorn Jonsson   I'm reviving this thread because recently I wa...   Jul 5 2023, 11:33 PM
||- - StargazeInWonder   At the hazard of speculating when I have not gotte...   Jul 6 2023, 01:07 AM
|||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Jul 5 2023, 06...   Jul 6 2023, 02:53 AM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 5 2023, 04:33 ...   Jul 6 2023, 03:06 AM
|||- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jul 6 2023, 03:06 AM)...   Jul 6 2023, 10:26 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 5 2023, 04:33 ...   Jul 7 2023, 12:25 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 26 2022, 02:39...   Mar 2 2022, 05:20 PM
- - mcaplinger   IIRC, every time before when somebody has reported...   Feb 28 2022, 12:59 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 28 2022, 12:59 AM...   Feb 28 2022, 01:05 AM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 27 2022, 05:05...   Feb 28 2022, 04:45 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   This is a stripped-down list of the kernels I...   Feb 28 2022, 10:19 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 28 2022, 02:19...   Mar 1 2022, 07:43 AM
- - Kevin Gill   Nice shots of the shadow of Ganymede during the de...   Mar 1 2022, 12:44 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I'm starting to suspect the problem could be a...   Mar 1 2022, 11:40 PM
|- - Brian Swift   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Mar 1 2022, 03:40 ...   Mar 2 2022, 01:43 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Mar 1 2022, 03:40 ...   Mar 2 2022, 04:08 AM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Thanks everyone for the information above. I'm...   Mar 3 2022, 12:34 AM
- - Brian Swift   Monolith Herd Stampeding Across Jovian Plains Ani...   Mar 4 2022, 01:31 AM
- - Brian Swift   PJ40 Images, Exaggerated Color/Contrast Full res...   Mar 4 2022, 05:47 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   This is processed from image PJ40_33. Approximatel...   Mar 6 2022, 02:57 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Was the reddening noticed in the recent Europa ima...   Mar 6 2022, 09:17 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   This color change is specific to JunoCam, it is no...   Mar 6 2022, 11:03 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Mar 6 2022, 03:03 ...   Mar 6 2022, 11:18 PM
- - mcaplinger   Also, here's a mosaic of the radiation charact...   Mar 6 2022, 11:39 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Thanks - this is the best overview of the reddenin...   Mar 7 2022, 10:38 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Image PJ40_38, approximately true color/contrast a...   Mar 9 2022, 10:50 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Regarding the discussion earlier on the unusually ...   Apr 11 2022, 02:30 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Apr 11 2022, 07:30...   Apr 11 2022, 04:02 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   I'm using subpnt_c to get the distance to the ...   Apr 11 2022, 09:39 PM
- - volcanopele   I guess this could quickly turn into a discussion ...   Apr 11 2022, 10:02 PM
- - Bjorn Jonsson   Additional information: It suddenly occurred to me...   Jul 6 2023, 11:46 PM
- - volcanopele   I'm not sure if this adds to the discussion AT...   Jul 7 2023, 04:11 PM


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