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Rakhir
post Apr 7 2006, 07:32 AM
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Next phase reached in definition of Mars Sample Return mission

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMJAGNFGLE_index_0.html
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volcanopele
post Apr 16 2024, 03:30 PM
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I will say one good thing about this and that they finally solved my biggest complaint: why have another rover/helicopter to deliver samples to the MAV when you have a perfectly good rover that can get you most of the way there. Yes, that depends on Percy surviving until then, but it would eliminate some of the duplication of effort. That being said, why not just have the MAV land at Midway and let the rover complete its mission of collecting samples between where it is now and there?


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post Apr 16 2024, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (volcanopele @ Apr 16 2024, 08:30 AM) *
why not just have the MAV land at Midway and let the rover complete its mission of collecting samples between where it is now and there?

"It was concluded by the MIRT technical/architecture team that Midway is inaccessible as a landing site".

The helicopter was a not-unreasonable bit of redundancy that didn't seem like it was a big cost/mass driver. Losing the helicopter because they insisted on adding an RTG doesn't seem like progress to me. But it's pretty obvious that this whole mission is toast now anyway.


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post Apr 16 2024, 04:56 PM
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The original sin here really goes back (at least) to when Perseverance was in the planning stages and the caching was added. That decision raised my eyebrows, not as an obvious mistake but as a weird malleability in the planning process, putting tactics before strategy. From at least that point forward, there's been this weird blend between two or more possible future plans, and the consequences of that are what we're seeing now.
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- Rakhir   Mars Sample Return   Apr 7 2006, 07:32 AM
- - bobik   I think it would have been far better if the OS an...   Nov 16 2023, 10:18 AM
- - tanjent   I know it sounds very cynical, but given the techn...   Nov 17 2023, 01:29 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (tanjent @ Nov 16 2023, 05:29 PM) w...   Nov 17 2023, 02:47 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Remember at the height of the Cold War, the first ...   Nov 17 2023, 03:12 AM
||- - rlorenz   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Nov 16 2023, 10...   Dec 1 2023, 02:56 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Nov 16 2023, 09:47 PM...   Nov 17 2023, 09:22 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   The news about NASA's Mars sample return is no...   Nov 30 2023, 04:28 PM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Nov 30 2023, 08...   Nov 30 2023, 05:35 PM
- - Explorer1   Intercepting radio transmissions is a tad easier t...   Nov 17 2023, 04:05 AM
- - John Whitehead   I was sorry to learn of the disaster at JPL two we...   Feb 18 2024, 07:41 PM
- - Floyd   From LA Times Link From JPL Link   Feb 18 2024, 10:14 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   A familiar situation with a lot of details but not...   Mar 7 2024, 06:23 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   This is light on details, but provides status upda...   Mar 12 2024, 04:33 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Mar 12 2024, 09...   Mar 12 2024, 04:59 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Yeah, I'd say that the newer article basically...   Mar 13 2024, 06:24 AM
- - John Whitehead   QUOTE (from the second link in Post #523 @ Ma...   Mar 17 2024, 01:41 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   This feels like someone has turned on the oven to ...   Mar 17 2024, 08:23 PM
- - John Whitehead   Thanks for the analogy. Yes, the people who set t...   Mar 17 2024, 10:33 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (John Whitehead @ Mar 17 2024, 03:3...   Mar 17 2024, 11:56 PM
- - mcaplinger   There are a lot of details about the MAV design as...   Mar 20 2024, 09:38 PM
- - vjkane   The journal Science published an article about the...   Mar 22 2024, 12:40 AM
|- - john_s   It seems possible, given the health of the rover a...   Mar 22 2024, 02:00 AM
|- - vjkane   QUOTE (john_s @ Mar 21 2024, 07:00 PM) It...   Mar 25 2024, 04:21 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 25 2024, 09:21 AM) No...   Mar 25 2024, 05:43 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2024, 06:43 PM...   Mar 25 2024, 08:39 PM
- - John Whitehead   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 20 2024, 09:38 PM...   Mar 31 2024, 03:45 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (John Whitehead @ Mar 31 2024, 08:4...   Mar 31 2024, 07:10 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   At the risk of being overly reductive (but with th...   Mar 31 2024, 07:48 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Mar 31 2024, 12...   Mar 31 2024, 08:30 PM
||- - StargazeInWonder   I would add that docking in Mars orbit is somethin...   Mar 31 2024, 10:45 PM
|- - bobik   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 31 2024, 08:10 PM...   Apr 1 2024, 05:59 AM
- - Explorer1   Teleconference on Monday, 1 PM EST about the new p...   Apr 13 2024, 02:50 AM
- - John Whitehead   About 15 minutes into the news conference, NASA As...   Apr 15 2024, 05:35 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   QUOTE (John Whitehead @ Apr 15 2024, 10:3...   Apr 15 2024, 08:56 PM
- - bobik   Science Mission Directorate Community Town Hall: N...   Apr 16 2024, 04:33 AM
- - Explorer1   Looks like the current plan is for Perseverance to...   Apr 16 2024, 01:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Apr 16 2024, 06:56 AM)...   Apr 16 2024, 03:17 PM
- - volcanopele   I will say one good thing about this and that they...   Apr 16 2024, 03:30 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (volcanopele @ Apr 16 2024, 08:30 A...   Apr 16 2024, 03:48 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   The original sin here really goes back (at least) ...   Apr 16 2024, 04:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Apr 16 2024, 09...   Apr 16 2024, 05:28 PM
- - Explorer1   An important aspect, however, is that the caching ...   Apr 16 2024, 08:00 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   This very thread presents an interesting sample of...   Apr 16 2024, 08:17 PM
- - antipode   This is such a big story it even made the Australi...   Apr 17 2024, 01:33 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (antipode @ Apr 16 2024, 08:33 PM) ...   Apr 17 2024, 02:23 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Mars Sample Return is a huge budget item that has ...   Apr 17 2024, 02:24 AM
- - mcaplinger   https://spacenews.com/practical-approach-ma...retu...   May 6 2024, 10:38 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Interesting and unexpected bogeyman that he identi...   May 7 2024, 02:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ May 7 2024, 07...   May 7 2024, 04:04 PM
- - Explorer1   The entire motivation of the MSR program is the st...   May 7 2024, 04:52 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ May 7 2024, 08:52 AM) ...   May 7 2024, 06:03 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ May 7 2024, 11...   May 7 2024, 06:29 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Very helpful links, thanks! And Crichton is th...   May 7 2024, 07:10 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ May 7 2024, 12...   May 7 2024, 07:25 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Boeing is offering this strategy: One (bigger) lau...   May 15 2024, 09:52 AM
- - stevesliva   Massive 'propulsive lander' with MAV that ...   May 15 2024, 01:48 PM
- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (stevesliva @ May 15 2024, 06:48 AM...   May 15 2024, 08:02 PM
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