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Rakhir
post Apr 7 2006, 07:32 AM
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Next phase reached in definition of Mars Sample Return mission

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMJAGNFGLE_index_0.html
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Explorer1
post May 7 2024, 04:52 PM
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The entire motivation of the MSR program is the study of samples on Earth, anyway. Instruments in Earth orbit are only a slight improvement from those we bring to the surface of Mars.
Part of the issue is that the entry capsule has no parachute, so there's more chance of a breach when impacting at terminal velocity. But the parachute was removed due to mass requirements, as I recall, so adding it back would be counterproductive.
And the only way to decisively remove PP requirements would be to prove a negative, which is essentially impossible (and this forum has rule 1.3 anyway).
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post May 7 2024, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ May 7 2024, 08:52 AM) *
The entire motivation of the MSR program is the study of samples on Earth, anyway. Instruments in Earth orbit are only a slight improvement from those we bring to the surface of Mars.


My notion was that the protection could occur in Earth orbit, then the protected samples could be brought to the ground. Eg, put the dirty capsule into a casing, the outside of which never touches any martian stuff. Then land.

As mcaplinger notes, this has more than one problem of its own, one of which is risk.

Cassini led to protests because Cassini had plutonium onboard. It's hard to put a price tag or perform rational analysis of risk factors in the public consciousness. But when the cost of the program is $11 billion and a risk factor in the public consciousness is part of that cost, possible cost savings involve manipulating the consciousness of risk, which is not the same thing as risk itself. Zubrin seems to wish the whole thing away. With Cassini, NASA weathered the protests. Note that one of the vocal Cassini protesters was Michio Kaku, who is one of the most prominent publicizers of science and technology.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9710/04/cassini/

Planetary protection doesn't have any definite equations governing the risks that it is trying to address. It seems to be a PR exercise with engineering components.
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- Rakhir   Mars Sample Return   Apr 7 2006, 07:32 AM
- - mcaplinger   https://spacenews.com/practical-approach-ma...retu...   May 6 2024, 10:38 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Interesting and unexpected bogeyman that he identi...   May 7 2024, 02:56 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ May 7 2024, 07...   May 7 2024, 04:04 PM
- - Explorer1   The entire motivation of the MSR program is the st...   May 7 2024, 04:52 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   QUOTE (Explorer1 @ May 7 2024, 08:52 AM) ...   May 7 2024, 06:03 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ May 7 2024, 11...   May 7 2024, 06:29 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Very helpful links, thanks! And Crichton is th...   May 7 2024, 07:10 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ May 7 2024, 12...   May 7 2024, 07:25 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Boeing is offering this strategy: One (bigger) lau...   May 15 2024, 09:52 AM
- - stevesliva   Massive 'propulsive lander' with MAV that ...   May 15 2024, 01:48 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (stevesliva @ May 15 2024, 06:48 AM...   May 15 2024, 08:02 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Ten different approaches are being considered. Fiv...   Jun 17 2024, 08:55 PM
- - mcaplinger   Here's a link to a paper about one of the tiny...   Jun 18 2024, 12:31 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   Thanks for the link regarding the camera. That...   Jun 19 2024, 05:08 AM
- - mcaplinger   https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Hum...desi...   Jul 5 2024, 03:56 PM
|- - StargazeInWonder   And at least one concept for retooling the mission...   Jul 5 2024, 09:07 PM
- - bobik   Okaaaay!!! ... "As part of a curr...   Jul 18 2024, 11:23 AM
|- - StargazeInWonder   An editorial by David Southwood about MSR has appe...   Jul 19 2024, 08:57 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (StargazeInWonder @ Jul 19 2024, 01...   Jul 20 2024, 12:47 AM
|- - bobik   QUOTE (bobik @ Jul 18 2024, 11:23 AM) Oka...   Jul 20 2024, 06:39 AM
- - StargazeInWonder   More public-facing information affirming China...   Sep 6 2024, 11:52 PM
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