Invoking The Voyagers Against Id |
Invoking The Voyagers Against Id |
Oct 24 2005, 03:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
Cornell President Rawlings Condemns Intelligent Design
Drawing from sources ranging from Cornell's founders to Voyager space missions, Interim President Hunter R. Rawlings III condemned the push to teach intelligent design in public schools Friday. The attack came during the president's State of... http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/...4/435c7762cf891 "The desire to understand the world and the desire to reform it are the two great engines of progress." - Bertrand Russell -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Nov 16 2005, 04:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 350 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. Member No.: 86 |
If anyone can describe a way to prove or disprove ID, I'd like to hear it. Even if some entity showed itself this very day and said "I am God" and proceeded to make things explode, make things out of 'nothing', etc., there would be no way to prove it wasn't just a super-powerful alien that obeys the same universal laws as everyone else.
If there is indeed a singular all-powerful god, it doesn't want us to be entirely sure it exists at all, down to the very way everything everywhere works. If you want to have an infinite argument, bring up ID. |
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Guest_Richard Trigaux_* |
Nov 16 2005, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (mike @ Nov 16 2005, 04:09 PM) If anyone can describe a way to prove or disprove ID, I'd like to hear it. Even if some entity showed itself this very day and said "I am God" and proceeded to make things explode, make things out of 'nothing', etc., there would be no way to prove it wasn't just a super-powerful alien that obeys the same universal laws as everyone else. If there is indeed a singular all-powerful god, it doesn't want us to be entirely sure it exists at all, down to the very way everything everywhere works. If you want to have an infinite argument, bring up ID. Intelligent Design stricto sensu was disproven by paleontologists, whose findings fit with the theory of evolution, not with Intelligent Design. So the debate is closed, as expalins helvick. The problem is (again) that we discuss, not about some reasonable investigation about the purpose of life, but about what abruptly state a bunch of dogmatics who speak in the place of others in a domain which is not their. I am not interested to speak about what Pat Roberson and the like say. I could be interested to speak about what Jesus said, for instance that we must love each other (argh out of topic ). Discussing means to love each others is Christianism, unearthing false theories is nothing. Forget Pat Robertson. But do not forget sincere peoples who try to make good. The question of a purpose of life which would be the intention of a creator, this problem is something we can make reasoning about, reasonings which could lead to conclusions, and eventually to tests. When anybody creates something, it provides it means to fulfill its purpose. For instance an aircraft has direction actuator, and a map, and on the map the point where to go. So if we were created, we should find somewhere some message, or some guidance, to tell us what to do and what to not do. Material science found no material message. So we can make several hypothesis: 1-there is no creator and no purpose. This is he opinion of the atheists/materialists. 2-finding the message implies a test or learning, like the final learning of a neuronal integrated circuit. 3-the message is not material. For instance it is implied into the working of consciousness: we must "heed our heart". This is the bet of peoples who are not satisfied by the first hypothesis. 4-there is no pre-defined purpose, either there is no creator or he lets us free. In this case we have to find our own purpose or intent. Unfortunatelly none of these hypothesis are testable in the usual way. But History made some tests: societies which were based on 2-3-4 were more peaceful and happy than societies based on 1. This is an useful conclusion, I think. |
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