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post Sep 15 2005, 07:12 PM
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There has been lots of discussion of a mission to Europa in the excellent thread on the Juno mission. I thought that since a Europa mission seems to be once again becoming a possibility, it deserved its own thread for news, updates and discussion. I thought I'd kick things off with a summary of past efforts on a Europa mission, and on where things stand now. If I make a mistake, please correct me!

In the course of its prime and extended missions, Galileo found evidence of liquid water under the icy surface of the planet. Planning began on a Europa Orbiter mission, with a projected arrival date of 2008, to confirm the presence of the ocean, characterize the thickness of the icy crust and identify places for a future landing. One thing to note about these earlier plans: they included a direct trajectory to Jupiter, presumably to minimize mission duration and qualms about RTGs re-entering Earth atmosphere after some (highly unlikely) targeting mishap. But NASA lacked a nice category of missions to place the Europa Orbiter in. Eventually it got lumped together with Pluto Express and Solar Probe in a Outer Solar System program labelled "Fire and Ice", a term which also got applied to the Galileo Europa Mission extension. Without a solid program to support it, (like Mars Exploration, Great Observatories, or Discovery) the mission looked like an orphan.

As Bruce Moomaw has well documented, attempts to kill off the Pluto mission led to a tug of war between NASA, the planetary scientists and the public, resulting in Congressional directives to NASA. Pluto Express became the Pluto/Kuiper Belt Explorer and then New Horizons and New Frontiers 1. (New Frontiers 2 is of course Juno.) But the cost for the Europa mission continued to rise, and the launch date recede, as the difficulty of radiation shielding and the large delta-v requirements hit home, and the mission's public profile fell. The launch date moved to 2010 and the costs moved over a $1b. Then along came Sean O'Keefe and JIMO, a justification for the Prometheus program through developing nuclear electric propulsion, not with RTGs, but with an in-space fission reactor. Launch got moved to 2011, then 2012, while the cost went even further through the roof.

With the arrival of Mike Griffin, JIMO was cancelled. As Griffin said to Congress, "It was not a mission, in my judgment, that was well-formed." But interest in a Europa mission remained and remains strong. In 2003 the National Academy of Science's Decadal Survey flatly stated that a Europa Orbiter was the top priority for the next Large scale (aka Flagship) mission. (See page 196 of the report.) NASA's current Solar System Exploration Roadmap reaffirmed a Europa orbiter as the next flagship mission. The question as always is money. As Administrator Griffin said, "The Science Mission directorate wants to do a Europa mission, the National Academy of Sciences wants to do a Europa mission, I want to do a Europa mission. When we can afford it in the budget, we'll do it."

Evidence of that support beyond rhetoric and reports trickled out with a letter from Andy Danzler, NASA's Solar System chief, to the Outer Planets Assessment Group (OPAG). He reported that he had "funded a team to take a quick look at the boundary conditions of a mission to Europa, that is, how much power, mass, travel time, etc. for various realistic scenarios. For planning purposes, this group is looking at launch dates in the 2012-2015 range, although the later dates are more likely in terms of funding." For funding details however, we have to wait for the FY 2007 budget.

OK, now the good stuff.

The latest meeting of OPAG included reports on a Reference Design for the mission. A kind of first draft which establishes a baseline which can be tweaked and modified to extract the best science return.

There are many things to like about this draft design:
* The mission is now permitted to use Earth flybys, and uses a proven trajectory, the same as used by Galileo (Venus-Earth-Earth Gravity Assist). This allows a BIG increase in the available mass.
* The orbiter uses RTGs, but not super advanced ones that require further years of development.
* The orbiter is similar to Cassini in appearance, with 2 engines, a cylindrical tank structure, RTGs at the base, the magetometer boom at the top, and space for a lander bolted to side. The similarities may make it easier to convince Congress that this is something NASA knows how to do. The most obvious configuration change is with science payload and HGA having switched places, and the addition of a radar array. And there looks like a camera the size of MRO's HiRISE!
* The mission is definitely Flagship in scope with a launch mass of over 7000 kg on a heavy lift launch vehicle. For comparison Cassini was 5712 kg at launch on a Titan IV, and Galileo was 2223 kg when launched using the Shuttle and an Inertial Upper Stage.
* There is a good opportunity for ESA participation with the lander and science instruments. NASA/ESA co-operation is on the agenda for the next OPAG meeting.
* The mission does not assume big upgrades to the Deep Space Network. If the Next Generation DSN does come along, that's just gravy.
* Despite the Europa focus, the mission appears to give at least part of a Galilleo II style tour with multiple flybys of the outer Galileans over 18 months. Only Io will have to wait.

The OPAG Europa working group is also expected to present further work at the next meeting in October. More details will emerge then. I think there is room for cautious optimism on this mission. While we won't be seeing a mission launch for at least another 7 years, the combined weight of the planetary science community does tend to get it's way in the long run. I think the momentum is finally starting to build.
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post Nov 30 2005, 02:34 AM
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No, Juno AND the Europa orbiter (under its new name, "Europa Geophysical Explorer") are both planned, although EGE won't get its official program start until 2007.

However, one thing that is on hold for now is the previous plan for a Deep Jupiter Multiprobe mission, for which they won't give any go-ahead until they examine the Juno results -- that is, not for quite a while (since Juno won't arrive till 2016). There has recently been a very dramatic, but apparently firm, change in the science community's attitude toward the giant-planet entry probe program, which is yet another item in my "Astronomy" article that I must leave dangling for now.
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QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 29 2005, 09:34 PM)
which is yet another item in my "Astronomy" article that I must leave dangling for now.
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"Astronomy" needs to pay you a sales commission, Bruce smile.gif

Any news on what issue your article will appear in?


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- Redstone   Europa Orbiter   Sep 15 2005, 07:12 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Very nice work. (My saying this, by the way, has ...   Sep 15 2005, 08:39 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 15 2005, 01:39 PM)An...   Sep 16 2005, 02:47 AM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 16 2005, 02:47 AM)The t...   Sep 16 2005, 02:51 AM
- - Decepticon   QUOTE (I'm currently planning a future article...   Sep 15 2005, 09:20 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 15 2005, 10:20 PM)I...   Sep 15 2005, 09:54 PM
||- - infocat13   45% to 50% of the cost of the Europa orbiter missi...   Sep 15 2005, 11:07 PM
||- - tedstryk   QUOTE (infocat13 @ Sep 15 2005, 11:07 PM)45% ...   Sep 16 2005, 12:18 AM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 15 2005, 09:20 PM)I...   Sep 16 2005, 11:05 AM
|- - Marcel   http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/europa/hst.html ...   Sep 16 2005, 11:20 AM
|- - antoniseb   Even a simple very small lander (a kilogram of ins...   Sep 16 2005, 12:25 PM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (antoniseb @ Sep 16 2005, 12:25 PM)Even...   Sep 16 2005, 12:41 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Marcel @ Sep 16 2005, 01:41 PM)But sof...   Sep 16 2005, 01:30 PM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Sep 16 2005, 01:30 PM)Marce...   Sep 16 2005, 01:37 PM
|- - antoniseb   QUOTE (Marcel @ Sep 16 2005, 08:37 AM) I supp...   Sep 16 2005, 04:15 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (antoniseb @ Sep 16 2005, 11:15 AM)If t...   Sep 16 2005, 04:17 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Sep 16 2005, 05:17 PM)Th...   Sep 17 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Decepticon   Europa/Io complete mapping is a must. What a dis...   Sep 16 2005, 01:27 AM
- - Redstone   I think you have to balance the size and capabilit...   Sep 16 2005, 04:25 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Redstone @ Sep 15 2005, 09:25 PM)I thi...   Sep 16 2005, 04:37 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 16 2005, 11:37 AM)I thi...   Sep 16 2005, 04:54 PM
- - edstrick   With a HiRISE style camera, you can do an enormous...   Sep 16 2005, 07:30 AM
- - Decepticon   I was thinking more in the lines of a Melt its way...   Sep 16 2005, 12:47 PM
|- - Marcel   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Sep 16 2005, 12:47 PM)I w...   Sep 16 2005, 12:55 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Marcel @ Sep 16 2005, 07:55 AM)What th...   Sep 16 2005, 01:12 PM
- - Decepticon   I'm 30 now, I hope that before I kick the buck...   Sep 16 2005, 01:41 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I've been thinking for some time about a modif...   Sep 17 2005, 07:53 AM
|- - vjkane2000   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 17 2005, 12:53 AM)If...   Sep 18 2005, 12:34 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Stop press! While poking around on the Web fo...   Sep 17 2005, 07:57 AM
- - deglr6328   Not being familliar with Luna-9, I checked it out ...   Sep 17 2005, 07:36 PM
- - Jeff7   Someone mentioned an impactor - how about using a ...   Sep 18 2005, 02:38 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Uh-uh -- you'd need a huge weight in impactors...   Sep 18 2005, 07:56 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Back in 1998 I initiated a discussion list for lan...   Sep 18 2005, 02:35 PM
|- - Jeff7   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 18 2005, 02:56 AM)Uh...   Sep 19 2005, 03:25 AM
|- - hendric   QUOTE (Jeff7 @ Sep 18 2005, 09:25 PM)So the l...   Sep 19 2005, 04:39 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep, that's the site where I got my start as a...   Sep 18 2005, 09:46 PM
- - Redstone   Apologies if this has already been discussed, but ...   Sep 19 2005, 02:47 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Jeff: I saw that OPAG report -- and the two more r...   Sep 19 2005, 09:04 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Sep 19 2005, 09:04 AM)Je...   Oct 24 2005, 09:54 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I should add that the heat from the extremely tiny...   Sep 19 2005, 09:05 AM
- - deglr6328   Wouldn't it? Let's say you want a 10W tra...   Sep 19 2005, 09:14 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   There are two relevant JPL Technical Reports on th...   Sep 20 2005, 04:45 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   And here's the other JPL report.   Sep 20 2005, 04:48 PM
- - deglr6328   hmmm! very interesting thank you!   Sep 24 2005, 09:00 PM
- - Roly   Was anyone at the recent (October) OPAG meeting wh...   Oct 23 2005, 04:49 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   I wasn't able to make it to OPAG, and have bee...   Oct 24 2005, 05:00 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The presentations from the third OPAG meeting have...   Oct 24 2005, 09:01 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Though this may sound terribly obvious, any Europa...   Oct 25 2005, 04:27 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The reply to the second question is simply: we don...   Oct 25 2005, 10:35 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Oct 25 2005, 10:35 PM)Th...   Oct 26 2005, 09:02 AM
|- - Ames   The beauty of an RTG is that it creates a LOT of ...   Oct 26 2005, 02:03 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   If they do add a small lander to the first Europa ...   Oct 27 2005, 01:05 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Here's a use for an Europa Ocean Probe - as a ...   Nov 10 2005, 05:25 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Anyone know if clay minerals exist on Europa, or c...   Nov 11 2005, 05:39 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Nov 11 2005, 05:39 PM)An...   Nov 16 2005, 08:16 PM
- - Roly   I know this has come up before but is it possible ...   Nov 16 2005, 04:11 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (Roly @ Nov 16 2005, 04:11 PM)I don...   Nov 16 2005, 08:23 PM
- - dvandorn   It's not just that orbiters are better (though...   Nov 16 2005, 05:00 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 16 2005, 10:00 AM)Secon...   Nov 16 2005, 08:13 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   That is exactly the plan that has ALWAYS been writ...   Nov 17 2005, 02:06 AM
|- - ljk4-1   Perhaps this will require a separate topic, but wh...   Nov 17 2005, 12:40 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Another description of the "Tour and Endgame...   Nov 17 2005, 02:18 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 16 2005, 06:18 PM)An...   Dec 7 2005, 03:40 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Also, you'll notice that the Endgame involves ...   Nov 17 2005, 02:18 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   That will be a while coming -- the radiation level...   Nov 17 2005, 01:18 PM
- - Roly   Thanks for the replies about the orbiters - the co...   Nov 17 2005, 02:29 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yeah, it's been made clear to me by Scott Bolt...   Nov 17 2005, 08:31 PM
|- - Marslauncher   Is the Europa Orbiter Still on? on was it replaced...   Nov 30 2005, 02:05 AM
- - Decepticon   You know this is very confusing lately. I was gonn...   Nov 30 2005, 02:09 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   No, Juno AND the Europa orbiter (under its new nam...   Nov 30 2005, 02:34 AM
|- - odave   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Nov 29 2005, 09:34 PM)wh...   Nov 30 2005, 03:08 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (odave @ Nov 30 2005, 03:08 AM)"As...   Nov 30 2005, 08:52 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   My article will be appearing in either the Februar...   Dec 1 2005, 12:27 AM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 1 2005, 12:27 AM)My ...   Dec 2 2005, 07:20 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 1 2005, 01:27 AM)My ...   Dec 2 2005, 11:59 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Nope, no blog -- I've never quite had the time...   Dec 3 2005, 11:18 AM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 3 2005, 11:18 AM)As ...   Dec 3 2005, 02:43 PM
- - Decepticon   And I've always wondered why the articles are ...   Dec 3 2005, 12:04 PM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (Decepticon @ Dec 3 2005, 06:04 AM)And ...   Dec 3 2005, 10:50 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   Bruce: I dunno what the copyright issues are (hop...   Dec 3 2005, 11:39 PM
- - mike   Editors are evil. They should be outlawed.   Dec 3 2005, 10:02 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (mike @ Dec 3 2005, 04:02 PM)Editors ar...   Dec 4 2005, 03:16 AM
- - mike   Heh. I dare say almost everything is a pact-with-...   Dec 4 2005, 04:20 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   QUOTE (mars loon @ Dec 3 2005, 02:43 PM)Bruce...   Dec 4 2005, 06:41 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   Here Russia Plans "Long-Lived" Venus Pro...   Dec 6 2005, 04:38 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Uh-uh. Back when I was posting to the Europa Icep...   Dec 8 2005, 02:43 AM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 8 2005, 02:43 AM)How...   Dec 8 2005, 08:04 AM
- - edstrick   "except that the mechanical forces acting on ...   Dec 8 2005, 10:35 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep. In fact, when I finally read about that inci...   Dec 8 2005, 12:02 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 8 2005, 12:02 PM)Yep...   Dec 8 2005, 12:53 PM
|- - mars loon   Some bad news about the prospects for a Europa Orb...   Dec 15 2005, 11:54 PM
- - vjkane2000   NASA's science budget is a mess -- too many mi...   Dec 16 2005, 01:52 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   The plan was to just insert about $10 million...   Dec 16 2005, 04:34 AM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 16 2005, 04:34 AM)On...   Dec 16 2005, 08:08 PM
- - Decepticon   QUOTE Once again, we have a case of the idiotic ma...   Dec 16 2005, 01:23 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   The very fact that Congressmen fund NASA as pork t...   Dec 16 2005, 11:36 PM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 16 2005, 11:36 PM)Th...   Dec 18 2005, 06:21 AM
|- - scisys   QUOTE (mars loon @ Dec 18 2005, 02:21 AM)I do...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Actually, the Europa Orbiter is a good deal more c...   Dec 28 2005, 01:38 AM
- - scisys   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 27 2005, 09:38 PM)In...   Dec 29 2005, 06:17 PM
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