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Nuking Europa, Nukes and other 'futuristic' ideas for exploring Europa
SergeyVLazarev
post Dec 5 2005, 07:45 PM
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Hi all! In my opinion, Europa explorer must be cheap and simple.

It must consist of 5 parts - 2 orbiters, 3 small and robust landers, and 3 nuclear and termonuclear bombs. I think that 10 Kt - 100 kt - 1 Mgt sequence is optimal.


First orbiter is robust, high protected from radioactivity, armed device. On high orbite over Europe
With simple and primitive long focused camera, laser-radar. It must to spectacle and record all nuclear explosion parametres.
has also a radio recever from landers.

second orbiter is orbiting low over the Europe. It must to fly over epicenter of nuke and drop lander to measure and see all.
To defend more complex second orbiter from radioactivity rays of nuclear explosion, we struck and explode a nuke in another side of Europe

Why nukes? Because it reveal all. First one, we"ll have a great quake of Europe. And can record all seismic infomation without landers.
next one. we can to melt ice and see a clear water - just hollow in the crust!!!

at 3 rd.

We dont need a special lander. If we can melt great hollow in crust - we'll have a liquid water to catch our lander! We dont need airbags, rockets. Just an robust "lander" like small susmarine!!

4 th. we ll have great cloud of water vapour and ice to take from there any chemical information.
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SergeyVLazarev
post Dec 6 2005, 09:31 AM
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Not really. Ice can crack but it's actually a remarkably resilient mineral when you have to deal with it on the scale of mountains. The surface of Europa probably has a structure not dissimilar to Icebergs. The US Navy discovered this when they tested the idea of blowing up Icebergs to test if it was possible to destroy bergs threatening shipping lanes. They came to the conclusion fairly quickly that they'd need much bigger guns and gave up. This pdf about Icebergs closes with this comment:


On Earth we have a stone earthcrust.
It's very resilent material.
But, despite all, we have so many weak places - voulcanos, drifts, cracks, caves and hot magma can erupt to surface.
If Europa ice crust similar to the Earth crust - and it must be similar, we can find weak places in Europa, and we can weak them more. :-)
If here, on the Earth, instead magma we have water and low gravity, like on Europa, we'll be can to explore earth inner layers. ;-)


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Also to return to Doug's point. A surface\air blast will excavate very little. You need to bury your bombs. The first one you could possibly just send in any old how and hope for the best but the subsequent ones would have to come in vertically, that would be require lots of fuel and some very fancy flying.
This document states that approximately 16% of a surface blast goes into cratering\ground shock etc. It also lists some numbers for the destruction depth effects - the maximum depth of destruction for a 9Megaton surface detonation is ~180m.


Its not a problem. Just dont brake bombs when it will fly to Europe.
50 km\sec of bomb velocity means that in time of ignition and some time after expolosion epicentre of bomb explosion fly past 0.5-1 km.

If we ignite bomb just over surface we get very hot, and very fast moving penetrating plasma ball with high ability to pierce any material in our world.

next point. In last termonukes hydrogene of water began burning, that gave addition yield, and yield of 100-mt class soviet bomb was reduced to half value, to prevent losing of control and BADA-BOOM of ocean water.
So, it very easy to gain to highest yields - we can just burn hydrogene of Europe ice, to achive ten or thousand Gt yields. gigatonns.
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- SergeyVLazarev   Nuking Europa   Dec 5 2005, 07:45 PM
- - Decepticon   Bada BOOM Bada BING ehh!?   Dec 5 2005, 07:51 PM
- - dvandorn   I have to admit, my first reaction to using thermo...   Dec 5 2005, 08:05 PM
|- - SergeyVLazarev   I know, that my proposition is sounds like provoca...   Dec 5 2005, 08:19 PM
|- - helvick   Sergey, Dramatic idea but it is too complex and y...   Dec 5 2005, 09:03 PM
|- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE The current estimates I've seen range fr...   Dec 5 2005, 09:24 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 5 2005, 10:24 PM)...   Dec 5 2005, 09:59 PM
- - SergeyVLazarev   not just for for fun, :-) but it can to help in 3 ...   Dec 5 2005, 08:06 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 5 2005, 12:06 PM)...   Dec 5 2005, 08:31 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Why use a nuclear bomb, which would literally neve...   Dec 5 2005, 08:57 PM
|- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE The crust is far too thick for a hydrogen bo...   Dec 5 2005, 09:01 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 5 2005, 01:01 PM)...   Dec 5 2005, 10:37 PM
- - mike   Nuclear bombs are complicated. Just use a giant s...   Dec 5 2005, 08:12 PM
|- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE (mike @ Dec 5 2005, 11:12 PM)Nuclear bo...   Dec 5 2005, 08:25 PM
|- - punkboi   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 5 2005, 01:25...   Apr 7 2006, 06:09 PM
- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE Not really. Ice can crack but it's actua...   Dec 6 2005, 09:31 AM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 6 2005, 10:31 AM)...   Dec 6 2005, 01:49 PM
- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE I don't know if by "some quake...   Dec 6 2005, 09:52 AM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 6 2005, 10:52 AM)...   Dec 6 2005, 11:03 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   SergeyVLazarev, I like very much your enthusiasm ...   Dec 6 2005, 11:02 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   This post was duplicated/replaced in its proper co...   Dec 6 2005, 11:20 AM
- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE I like very much your enthusiasm about using...   Dec 6 2005, 12:37 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 6 2005, 12:37 PM)...   Dec 6 2005, 01:24 PM
- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE BTW for the record. The Tsar Bomba was restr...   Dec 6 2005, 02:13 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 6 2005, 03:13 PM)...   Dec 6 2005, 02:28 PM
|- - ljk4-1   While I would prefer not to see the human race spr...   Dec 6 2005, 02:56 PM
- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE The 50 Mt Soviet "Tsar Bomba" was ...   Dec 6 2005, 02:52 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (SergeyVLazarev @ Dec 6 2005, 03:52 PM)...   Dec 6 2005, 04:07 PM
- - SergeyVLazarev   QUOTE 1. The polygon WAS there to be bombed the he...   Dec 6 2005, 03:11 PM
- - JRehling   Incidentally, in the case we would ever want to se...   Dec 6 2005, 04:43 PM
|- - ljk4-1   Nuke Europa? You aren't thinking grand enough...   Dec 6 2005, 05:59 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   We *mustn't* nuke Europa. The big oblong guys...   Dec 6 2005, 09:40 PM
- - RNeuhaus   IMHO, it is not necesarry to use nuke on Europe bu...   Dec 6 2005, 10:56 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 6 2005, 05:56 PM)IMHO, ...   Dec 7 2005, 01:11 PM
||- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 7 2005, 08:11 AM)Whe...   Dec 7 2005, 03:36 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 6 2005, 10:56 PM)IMHO, ...   Dec 7 2005, 02:43 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 7 2005, 03:43 PM)I am d...   Dec 7 2005, 02:47 PM
- - mike   Face it, nuclear explosions look really neat. All...   Dec 7 2005, 12:56 AM
- - ElkGroveDan   Well I'm having a hoot reading this thread. A...   Dec 7 2005, 03:45 AM
- - edstrick   "Face it, nuclear explosions look really neat...   Dec 7 2005, 09:03 AM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 7 2005, 05:03 PM)...   Dec 27 2005, 03:59 PM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE second orbiter is orbiting low over the Euro...   Dec 7 2005, 09:38 AM
- - RNeuhaus   Sorry. Translate: Europe to Moon of Europe. Ro...   Dec 7 2005, 03:28 PM
|- - ugordan   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 7 2005, 04:28 PM)...   Dec 7 2005, 03:30 PM
- - Omega   Yeah, woo-hoo, nukes! EEEEERRRRRNNNNTTT!...   Dec 7 2005, 05:05 PM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (Omega @ Dec 7 2005, 12:05 PM)Yeah, woo...   Dec 7 2005, 05:12 PM
- - ljk4-1   I found this quote and I just had to add it here, ...   Apr 7 2006, 04:12 PM
- - GregM   .   Apr 7 2006, 06:17 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   GregM: You'd not want to pollute the precious...   Apr 7 2006, 08:49 PM
|- - mchan   GregM That doesn't look like La Puta!   Apr 8 2006, 01:56 AM
- - edstrick   Peace on Europa, Purity of Essence.   Apr 8 2006, 10:12 AM
|- - mchan   Hmm, I wonder what the fluoride levels in Europa...   Apr 8 2006, 05:44 PM
- - Richard Trigaux   MAKE OBS, NOT WAR   Apr 8 2006, 08:28 PM
- - GravityWaves   Let me also say I find the idea of exploring Europ...   Apr 10 2006, 02:57 AM


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