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Wreckage Of Beagle 2 Found?
imran
post Dec 20 2005, 01:07 AM
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Wreckage of Beagle found scattered in Mars crater

Talk about being unlucky assuming this is confirmed.
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post Dec 21 2005, 10:53 PM
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I am still not convinced about the Beagle 2's landing position. My questions are:

It was redited after a more toughts and research.

Dec 19 8:11:00 Seperation from Mars Express. Beagle 2 will orbit around Mars for almost 6 days.

Dec 25 2:47:48 Desaceleration. Highest temperature is 1,700 Centigrades at 120 km heigth.

Dec 25 2:51:02 Open parachute at the height of 2,6 km of Mars surface.


Dec 25 2:51:20 Turn on the altimeter and it checks the altimeter 10 times per seconds.

Dec 25 2:51:45 Inflate the air bags at 275 meters of altitude. The altimeter detects the presence of surface and activate the inflation of airbags.


Dec 25 2:52:00 First bounce (15 seconds) at 58 km/sec.
Sixth bounce (10 seconds)
Tenth bounce (6 seconds)

Dec 25 2:54:00 rest on Isidis Plantia after 12 bounces.

-Separation of airbags from Beagle 2 which was inside of a big Airbag.
-The three airbags were fired away from Beagle 2.
Dec 25 5:30:00 Try to contact with Mars Odyssey.



1) The picture shows FOUR dark spots. They aren't of the same size. The Right and down are of similar sizes, the Up is bigger and the Left is the biggest. Different sizes.... blink.gif Let suppose there is 3 airbags which are of white color and the fourth might be of lander, heatshield or backcover. Then let suppose that the heatshield or backcover must fall far away from the mini-crater. Because of the different sizes of airbag might lead to the different degree of deflation?

2) According to the above picture, the Beagle 2 might be found with its open top cap because of its greater size (the Left Hand) or it has not opened its cover (the right hand). Well, now where is the heatshield or backcover?

3) Beagle is so light (perhaps between 60kg in Earth and 22 kg in Mars). It is rather very light and it would not have bounced and traveled much distance as MER did. According to the initial estimates, it would have bounced 10 times which is not the same as mentioned in the picture with 4 disturbed top surface. The distance of bounce would be greater and not merely inside of 20 meter crater.

4) However, the first bounce is big and it might be the first bounce which was of one big airbag.

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- imran   Wreckage Of Beagle 2 Found?   Dec 20 2005, 01:07 AM
- - ermar   Unlucky? Seems pretty lucky for Pilinger if it ch...   Dec 20 2005, 01:40 AM
- - lyford   Dr. Pillinger, Dec, 2003 QUOTE Professor Colin Pil...   Dec 20 2005, 02:04 AM
- - jamescanvin   I didn't see one on the page linked by imram b...   Dec 20 2005, 03:00 AM
|- - odave   Yep, shades of the false ID of MPL's remains e...   Dec 20 2005, 03:31 AM
|- - dilo   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Dec 20 2005, 03:00 AM)I ...   Dec 20 2005, 05:15 AM
||- - djellison   QUOTE (dilo @ Dec 20 2005, 05:15 AM)If identi...   Dec 20 2005, 08:33 AM
||- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (dilo @ Dec 20 2005, 04:15 PM)The BBC i...   Dec 20 2005, 10:38 AM
|- - volcanopele   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Dec 19 2005, 08:00 PM)I ...   Dec 20 2005, 08:31 PM
- - deglr6328   Ohh yes! If I squint hard enough I can just ma...   Dec 20 2005, 07:04 AM
- - djellison   Just had a thought - if the impact into the side o...   Dec 20 2005, 09:38 AM
- - Richard Trigaux   Hmmmm... So there was no error or malfunction of ...   Dec 20 2005, 09:45 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Dec 20 2005, 04:45 A...   Dec 20 2005, 03:16 PM
|- - Richard Trigaux   QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Dec 20 2005, 03:16 PM)I agr...   Dec 20 2005, 05:33 PM
- - djellison   ORRrr.... Design them with the ability to navigat...   Dec 20 2005, 10:05 AM
- - djellison   I went and found the orig MSSS image, got the IMG,...   Dec 20 2005, 10:58 AM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 20 2005, 10:58 AM)I we...   Dec 20 2005, 02:35 PM
- - edstrick   It's a good candidate for the remains. Better...   Dec 20 2005, 11:03 AM
- - djellison   Data from http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r16_r21/...   Dec 20 2005, 11:47 AM
|- - tedstryk   I am not buying it, although I will suspend judgme...   Dec 20 2005, 06:36 PM
- - Decepticon   I bet it landed OK but did not function due to tec...   Dec 20 2005, 01:29 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Nice image processing, Doug - or 'the other Ph...   Dec 20 2005, 01:38 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 20 2005, 05:38 AM)I ...   Dec 20 2005, 05:25 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 20 2005, 05:38 AM)I ...   Dec 21 2005, 09:58 PM
- - Sunspot   I dont think you've read the news report corre...   Dec 20 2005, 06:47 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 20 2005, 06:47 PM)I dont...   Dec 21 2005, 03:56 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 20 2005, 10:56 PM)I am ...   Dec 21 2005, 04:59 AM
- - djellison   I agree - it's not much and certainly far from...   Dec 20 2005, 09:10 PM
- - RNeuhaus   I was not aware of Beagle 2 mission. After reading...   Dec 20 2005, 09:24 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   This was always regarded by engineers before the l...   Dec 20 2005, 09:58 PM
- - AstronomíaOnline.com   The Search For Beagle 2 http://www.beagle2.com T...   Dec 21 2005, 03:11 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   Given how close MER-A (I refuse to use that cornba...   Dec 21 2005, 08:30 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 21 2005, 12:30 AM)I ...   Dec 21 2005, 04:40 PM
||- - JRehling   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 21 2005, 08:40 AM)I b...   Dec 22 2005, 02:44 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 21 2005, 01:30 AM)I ...   Dec 22 2005, 09:01 PM
|- - ljk4-1   The news that Beagle 2 may have been spotted on th...   Dec 23 2005, 01:31 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (The Messenger @ Dec 22 2005, 01:01 PM)...   Dec 23 2005, 07:51 PM
|- - The Messenger   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 23 2005, 12:51 PM)A c...   Dec 27 2005, 04:37 PM
- - Sunspot   If i'm remembering this correctly, and it was ...   Dec 21 2005, 10:29 AM
- - djellison   Unfortunately, only the data sets for EDL are out,...   Dec 21 2005, 10:54 AM
- - Nix   Is it me or is there a radial pattern of dark stre...   Dec 21 2005, 04:19 PM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (NIX @ Dec 21 2005, 04:19 PM)Is it me o...   Dec 21 2005, 06:14 PM
- - Nix   Also, every similar crater in the area doesn't...   Dec 21 2005, 04:34 PM
- - Nix   Thanks Sunspot. Nico   Dec 21 2005, 08:29 PM
|- - ugordan   If this crater indeed turns out to be Beagle's...   Dec 21 2005, 09:38 PM
- - Sunspot   It was originaly suspected that the crater visible...   Dec 21 2005, 10:35 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Dec 21 2005, 02:35 PM)The fo...   Dec 21 2005, 10:44 PM
- - Sunspot   Take a look at slide 5 on the Beagle website: Al...   Dec 21 2005, 10:49 PM
- - RNeuhaus   I am still not convinced about the Beagle 2's ...   Dec 21 2005, 10:53 PM
- - djellison   MRO will be able to identify the airbags if they a...   Dec 21 2005, 10:56 PM
- - djellison   Helen just found this.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/w...   Dec 22 2005, 11:43 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 22 2005, 04:43 AM)Hele...   Dec 23 2005, 04:24 AM
- - djellison   Dont forget the equiv. prop mass of the RAD and TI...   Dec 22 2005, 02:48 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Oh, gadfry, Messenger, are you still peddling that...   Dec 23 2005, 06:46 AM
|- - ljk4-1   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Dec 23 2005, 01:46 AM)An...   Dec 23 2005, 03:26 PM
|- - RNeuhaus   QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Dec 23 2005, 10:26 AM)I ...   Dec 23 2005, 04:45 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   I should add that the Polar Lander failure report ...   Dec 23 2005, 06:49 AM
- - edstrick   Note that the Viking landers directly measured the...   Dec 23 2005, 09:15 AM
- - djellison   Messenger's gravity 'thing' has appear...   Dec 23 2005, 10:02 AM
- - PhilCo126   Well, I cannot make up anything from the images an...   Dec 23 2005, 10:56 AM
- - RNeuhaus   Thanks to The Messenger for the references which a...   Dec 27 2005, 04:44 PM
- - PhilCo126   Talking about spacecraft that kept working... I be...   Dec 27 2005, 04:47 PM
|- - tedstryk   It would have been interesting, had MGS been in an...   Feb 21 2006, 05:21 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   Yep. The rover was also programmed, if it didn...   Dec 27 2005, 10:28 PM
- - lyford   Bruce, you just blew out my anthropomorphometer...   Dec 28 2005, 01:42 AM
- - Sunspot   Just a hypothetical thought here - but say for exa...   Dec 31 2005, 01:11 PM
- - RNeuhaus   It might be. However, up to now, we are not wearin...   Dec 31 2005, 09:49 PM
- - PhilCo126   Don't know if You all noticed the redesign of ...   Feb 21 2006, 04:51 PM
- - djellison   Sojourner was on 459.7 MHz, and MGS Relay is on 40...   Feb 21 2006, 08:47 PM


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