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Marslauncher
post Jan 5 2006, 05:57 PM
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Just got tipped off to this story

http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006

Here is the paper

http://www.uibk.ac.at/c/cb/cb26/heim/theor...sicsaip2005.pdf


They could feasibly have a prototype within 5 years!!!

Happy New Year indeed everyone.
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post Jan 7 2006, 08:04 PM
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What disturbs me the most in this theory is not the bad pun (translate please I did not understood) but the four extra dimentions introduced without explanations. Of course this is legitimate if it makes a whole solid and complete theory, but at a moment we shall have to demonstrate the real existence of these dimentions.


(In the case of the Heim theory, they are not space dimentions as we understand it, but something else, eventually similar to the "imaginary" dimention in the vector describing an alternative current).


On the other hand, we have a vacuum which has in fact many properties, such as to contain various fields, having physical constants, creating virtual particules, etc. This is much for something which is just vacuum!
And when we see the gravitationnal field explained as a curvature of space, it is intuitive and tempting to explain each field as a curvature in a different way (in other dimentions, says Heim).

Such theories, even if one day they prove false, are anyway useful. It is the process of science to test many theories, and not a mistake to keep at theories which later prove false. (The theories of Newton, of the aether, were first useful steps). Even in the field of physics, there are many competing theories, and tests currently compare experimental results with several competing theories. Some of these theories also involve other spatial dimentions, but "packed" in such a way that they don't appear at human scale.

Heim also makes me think of Hawking: they are both severely communication disabled, both with an intense inner life and high theoretical level, and all producing though provoking theories.
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post Jan 7 2006, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Trigaux @ Jan 7 2006, 08:04 PM)
Heim also makes me think of Hawking: they are both severely communication disabled, both with an intense inner life and high theoretical level, and all producing though provoking theories.
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Exactly, and Einstein was also socially inept and for the most part was forgetful and often lived in his own world.

I really think that Heim's work should be previewed and his theories tested before being discounted. The ones that have been tested regarding (quantam spin rates) have been accurate to 7 decimal points.

The problems is - there are few physicists who understand Heim's mathematical equations.
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