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post Jan 13 2006, 05:29 AM
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Back from a non-internet-connected holiday, I was surfing around and found JPL has launched the MSL website.

Here it is:http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/index.html

This is a big improvement over the one page we have had for some time. Naturally, some parts need fleshing out, but there is a page for every instrument, along with summaries of the mission goals and objectives. I have not read through all of it yet, but look forward to discussion of what we can uncover here. smile.gif

And I love this picture. MSL is gonna be BIG cool.gif
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post Jan 18 2006, 04:18 PM
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Perhaps this has been explained elsewhere, but I am having difficulty understanding the optimistic "scaling up" of the mission timeline comparing MER's 90 days = 2 years to MSL's 2 years = 10 years.

IIRC, the biggest constraint on MER was power, with the reprieve coming from unexpected dust behavior cleaning events - baring any mechanical failure or catastrophic weather, the solar powered rovers could now conceivably run until they hit their battery charge cycle limits.

But MSL is designed with a finite power source with a known rate of discharge - there won't be any free lunch boost of energy during it's mission. Or do the RTGs have some sort of "throttle" of which I am unaware? I didn't think you could power manage the same way as with MER, once it's depleted, there won't be another sunrise tomorrow to power the Mossbauer integration that you put off today.

My point is that power is no longer a wild card and since that seems to have been the factor that has contributed the most to MERs life extension, in order for the MSL engineers to be making optimistic estimates based upon primary mission requirements, there surely must be some realistic estimates on RTG life backing those statements.

Or are they saying that the RTG will last for 10 years, and hoping the mechanics last as long as well?


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post Jan 18 2006, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE (lyford @ Jan 18 2006, 04:18 PM)
Or are they saying that the RTG will last for 10 years, and hoping the mechanics last as long as well?
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Just the first. They will have the power for many years, and it's predictable, unlike solar arrays ( i.e. so much power they had to have afternoon sleeps with Spirit 100 sols ago, and now down to amost half that power makes long term planning hard ) Being 'around' and being 'mobile' are not one and the same smile.gif But - given lessons learnt with MER, I'm sure that they could build MSL to be certain of lasting at least 2 earth years

It's the Mossbauer that has the short halflife material and MSL has an APXS, but no Mossbauer. APXS's sample half life is, ermm, it's in the Steve Q'n'A - can't remember, but it's years and year - 20something

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- Redstone   Mars Science Laboratory Website   Jan 13 2006, 05:29 AM
- - deglr6328   I wonder why they're still using solid metal f...   Jan 13 2006, 08:27 AM
- - dot.dk   QUOTE (deglr6328 @ Jan 13 2006, 08:27 AM)I wo...   Jan 13 2006, 08:30 AM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jan 13 2006, 09:30 AM)You wou...   Jan 13 2006, 10:30 AM
- - djellison   And, to be honest, I think you could make an all m...   Jan 13 2006, 11:06 AM
|- - MahFL   The in wheel suspension looks very complex, hope t...   Jan 13 2006, 12:22 PM
|- - exobioquest   Ok some questions here: WHAT! they still have...   Jan 15 2006, 01:32 AM
|- - RNeuhaus   Tire comparision sizes: MSL is expected to weig...   Jan 16 2006, 03:36 PM
- - nprev   QUOTE (Redstone @ Jan 12 2006, 10:29 PM)And I...   Jan 15 2006, 04:18 AM
|- - Chmee   Add a caption: MER: "Hey, Get out of my way,...   Jan 18 2006, 06:20 PM
- - dvandorn   Yes, MSL is a good amount larger than MER. But ME...   Jan 15 2006, 04:57 AM
|- - exobioquest   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 14 2006, 10:57 PM)Yes, ...   Jan 15 2006, 05:13 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 14 2006, 09:57 PM)Yes, ...   Jan 15 2006, 08:29 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 15 2006, 08:29 AM)all that...   Jan 15 2006, 09:05 AM
|- - exobioquest   Well I'm sure the top is not going to be bare ...   Jan 15 2006, 05:26 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2006, 02:05 AM)Take...   Jan 15 2006, 08:51 PM
- - djellison   All the design stuff I've seen has the RTG sti...   Jan 15 2006, 09:29 PM
- - djellison   2.3 times wider, and about twice the radius - thus...   Jan 16 2006, 03:58 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Doug, Good correction. I didn't take account t...   Jan 16 2006, 04:06 PM
- - dvandorn   Also, MSL's wider wheel base will help its off...   Jan 17 2006, 03:30 AM
- - RNeuhaus   In spite of the fact of good attack, escape and ve...   Jan 17 2006, 09:01 PM
|- - exobioquest   It would be nice to have some 1-2 meter wide infla...   Jan 18 2006, 12:09 AM
- - Toma B   Nice article on Space.com: Mars Science Laboratory...   Jan 18 2006, 02:56 PM
|- - MahFL   Cook says MSL may last for 10 years .   Jan 18 2006, 03:42 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 18 2006, 07:56 AM)Nice ar...   Jan 21 2006, 08:02 AM
|- - mars_armer   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 21 2006, 12:02 AM)What...   Jan 21 2006, 04:04 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (mars_armer @ Jan 21 2006, 09:04 AM)Tha...   Jan 21 2006, 06:17 PM
- - RNeuhaus   Thanks Toma for posting. The initial targed date:...   Jan 18 2006, 03:42 PM
- - djellison   Well - look at the Viking Landers. 2000+ sols. ...   Jan 18 2006, 03:43 PM
- - lyford   Perhaps this has been explained elsewhere, but I a...   Jan 18 2006, 04:18 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (lyford @ Jan 18 2006, 04:18 PM)Or are ...   Jan 18 2006, 04:50 PM
|- - exobioquest   QUOTE (lyford @ Jan 18 2006, 10:18 AM)Or are ...   Jan 18 2006, 06:09 PM
- - RNeuhaus   The thing that has short live is the material whic...   Jan 18 2006, 04:28 PM
- - djellison   That's a good point - MSL could do DTE comms a...   Jan 18 2006, 07:02 PM
- - djellison   Perhaps it is just part of the structure required ...   Jan 21 2006, 11:07 AM
- - PhilCo126   Items available to the General Public: http://www....   Mar 8 2008, 07:49 PM
|- - dmg   [quote name='PhilCo126' date='Mar 8 20...   Mar 28 2008, 07:55 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (dmg @ Mar 28 2008, 12:55 PM) Does ...   Mar 28 2008, 08:35 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   Check out the MSL website to view assembly progres...   Mar 27 2008, 10:56 PM
|- - MahFL   So is that the actual MSL that will go to mars ?   Mar 28 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (MahFL @ Mar 28 2008, 10:12 AM) So ...   Mar 28 2008, 08:38 PM
|- - MahFL   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 28 2008, 08:38 PM...   Apr 1 2008, 03:34 PM
- - djellison   There another animated gif (what the hell's wi...   Mar 28 2008, 08:40 PM
- - peter59   Mars Science Laboratory slowly materialise. Nice ...   Aug 27 2008, 07:45 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   Is that a wheel or a beer keg?   Aug 27 2008, 08:03 PM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 27 2008, 09:03 P...   Aug 27 2008, 08:07 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   Thanks for clearing that up.   Aug 27 2008, 08:14 PM
- - peter59   Hot off a special delivery truck from Lockheed Mar...   Oct 27 2008, 06:26 PM
- - Adam   Woah, that's big!   Oct 28 2008, 08:22 AM
- - peter59   Rover and descent stage stacked together (the firs...   Nov 13 2008, 05:31 PM
|- - MahFL   Wow look at all that plumbing !   Nov 13 2008, 05:52 PM
- - remcook   Wow! We should almost start thinking about thi...   Nov 13 2008, 06:43 PM
|- - peter59   QUOTE (remcook @ Nov 13 2008, 07:43 PM) W...   Nov 21 2008, 07:50 PM
- - climber   I've found where our back seat driver seat is,...   Nov 21 2008, 08:52 PM
- - Stu   Hi gang, missed you all! I was very lucky ...   Nov 24 2008, 01:20 PM
|- - Syrinx   QUOTE (Stu @ Nov 24 2008, 05:20 AM) Anywa...   Nov 25 2008, 08:24 PM
- - djellison   No - you're not waiting patiently...you're...   Nov 25 2008, 08:31 PM
- - Stu   Actually, there aren't any more photos of MSL ...   Nov 26 2008, 12:20 AM
- - nprev   ...I'm gonna go with "Holy ****, it's...   Nov 26 2008, 04:19 AM
|- - SFJCody   What I would really like to see with MSL is someth...   Nov 26 2008, 07:55 PM
- - imipak   QUOTE (Stu @ Nov 26 2008, 12:20 AM) Here...   Nov 26 2008, 07:50 PM
- - Doc   Check out spotlight on Mars for Dec 8. on the ther...   Dec 10 2008, 09:28 AM


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